Delta Pilots Association
12-29-2013 | 12:02 PM
#8971
At home on the maddog!
Joined: Mar 2009
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From: Retired (mandatory age 65)
FIIGMO,
You keep posting this. I understand your point. But how about this...
Delta came out of bankruptcy on April 30, 2007. This is Day 2,436 of acting as if we do not expect our profession and our careers to be restored.
How many more days do you need in order to realize that DALPA has no intention of pursuing anything like restoration?
Talk about "divided!" IMO, THAT is responsible for the division within this pilot group WAY more than DPA. Maybe it would be better if you focused your attention on the right problem?
You keep posting this. I understand your point. But how about this...
Delta came out of bankruptcy on April 30, 2007. This is Day 2,436 of acting as if we do not expect our profession and our careers to be restored.
How many more days do you need in order to realize that DALPA has no intention of pursuing anything like restoration?
Talk about "divided!" IMO, THAT is responsible for the division within this pilot group WAY more than DPA. Maybe it would be better if you focused your attention on the right problem?
12-29-2013 | 12:06 PM
#8972
Da Hudge
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,473
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From: Poodle Whisperer
FIIGMO,
You keep posting this. I understand your point. But how about this...
Delta came out of bankruptcy on April 30, 2007. This is Day 2,436 of acting as if we do not expect our profession and our careers to be restored.
How many more days do you need in order to realize that DALPA has no intention of pursuing anything like restoration?
Talk about "divided!" IMO, THAT is responsible for the division within this pilot group WAY more than DPA. Maybe it would be better if you focused your attention on the right problem?
You keep posting this. I understand your point. But how about this...
Delta came out of bankruptcy on April 30, 2007. This is Day 2,436 of acting as if we do not expect our profession and our careers to be restored.
How many more days do you need in order to realize that DALPA has no intention of pursuing anything like restoration?
Talk about "divided!" IMO, THAT is responsible for the division within this pilot group WAY more than DPA. Maybe it would be better if you focused your attention on the right problem?
12-29-2013 | 12:16 PM
#8973
At home on the maddog!
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,874
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From: Retired (mandatory age 65)
Look. I have no grand delusions that everything will come up roses with DPA. Much damage has already been done (a lot of it by DALPA, IMO). I just know that there is absolutely NO CHANCE with DALPA. And I'm not willing to give up on this profession or the remainder of my career. At least that's the way I see it. Your mileage may vary (and obviously does).
12-29-2013 | 08:08 PM
#8977
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2009
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Got it. Are you PMNW? (I assume so because under your avatar it says 747B). What we have now is actually an improvement from years past, at least at the DAL-S side of the house. Contractually reserves have never gotten the Duty Period Average whereas guys on a regular line do--thus the difference in pay. The thinking is (though I disagree with it) is that because reserves will always get the reserve guarantee, then they don't "need" the Duty Period Average. Again, don't shoot the messenger, I'm just stating how it is.
However, prior to the much-criticized C2012, there was no calendar day average/Average Daily Guarantee (ADG) which is currently 4.30 a day--AND it applies to reserves; reserves do get duty and trip rigs, but the only guarantee prior to C2012 was the Duty Period Minimum of 2 hours, which isn't worth much. You would often see a trip that would entail one leg out, layover, and one leg back, worth 10.30 for a regular line guy but only 4 hours for a reserve. Or, you would have a trip that would DH one leg, layover, then fly back, or vice versa. That would only pay a regular guy 7.15 (5.15 DPA for the flying day, plus 2 hours DPM for the dh-only day) and still only 4 hours for a reserve.
While not the complete "end state" solution, the Average Daily Guarantee goes a long way towards fixing both examples. Now, with the ADG, no two-day trip will ever be less than 9 hours, and that is the case for both regular and reserve guys. I know that doesn't fix the fact that in your case the captain got more than you hours-wise, but it is a step in the right direction. If we can negotiate an even higher ADG in our next contract, then you won't have this issue in the future.
However, prior to the much-criticized C2012, there was no calendar day average/Average Daily Guarantee (ADG) which is currently 4.30 a day--AND it applies to reserves; reserves do get duty and trip rigs, but the only guarantee prior to C2012 was the Duty Period Minimum of 2 hours, which isn't worth much. You would often see a trip that would entail one leg out, layover, and one leg back, worth 10.30 for a regular line guy but only 4 hours for a reserve. Or, you would have a trip that would DH one leg, layover, then fly back, or vice versa. That would only pay a regular guy 7.15 (5.15 DPA for the flying day, plus 2 hours DPM for the dh-only day) and still only 4 hours for a reserve.
While not the complete "end state" solution, the Average Daily Guarantee goes a long way towards fixing both examples. Now, with the ADG, no two-day trip will ever be less than 9 hours, and that is the case for both regular and reserve guys. I know that doesn't fix the fact that in your case the captain got more than you hours-wise, but it is a step in the right direction. If we can negotiate an even higher ADG in our next contract, then you won't have this issue in the future.
Now if we could do something about the loss of per diem for off-rotation DHs!
12-30-2013 | 09:35 AM
#8978
Wind the clock beoch
Joined: May 2012
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01-10-2014 | 08:08 AM
#8980
Thread Starter
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2010
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? ?
Very quite on the DPA front.
Are they tapping out?
Is there a power struggle ay the top involving TC?
Usually they are quite strident and pounce on any little thing ALPA does or doesn't do, but now nothing but crickets since MD arrived on this scene.
Hmmmmmm. Could it be??????
Are they tapping out?
Is there a power struggle ay the top involving TC?
Usually they are quite strident and pounce on any little thing ALPA does or doesn't do, but now nothing but crickets since MD arrived on this scene.
Hmmmmmm. Could it be??????
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