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Old 10-31-2010 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Riddler
Sorry everyone, I was being sarcastic. My "outsourced" numbers represent the number of additional mainline jobs that management intends to outsource to the lowest bidder. Ask the folks at United or USAir - retirement numbers don't always keep pace with the number of jobs being lost to regional carriers.
It will be interesting to see how they will outsource with the new ATP & 1,500 hour requirement. I'm getting the the feeling from the young future airline pilots that the career is not worth pursuing.
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Old 11-01-2010 | 01:06 PM
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woxof,
I think that may have been a former post of mine. Very similar numbers. We've had a couple guys here or there retire since.

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Old 11-01-2010 | 04:35 PM
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Thanks for the SW numbers.

757golf - the numbers I posted were already on APC. I posted the link. Since it had 2009 retirement data your's is probably more accurate but both are close enough for someone considering a career at different airlines.

Someone with several choices of airlines should compare the retirement data, and current business plans, before making their final decision. Good luck.
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Old 11-02-2010 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AirbusA320
It will be interesting to see how they will outsource with the new ATP & 1,500 hour requirement. I'm getting the the feeling from the young future airline pilots that the career is not worth pursuing.
Don't forget, ALPA is trying their best to get that reduced to 500 hours.
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Old 11-02-2010 | 11:26 PM
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The numbers posted above are those senior to me, who are older. There are not many (at least not in the next decade or so) who are junior yet are older and are NOT included in those numbers.

IOW, the numbers posted above are close but not exact. For example, our over 60 guys who came back after the law change will retire in the next couple years, but are NOT included in the above numbers, because they are junior to me.

The numbers end in 2035 because I retire the following year and left off the last year.

Hope this does not cause too much of a problem.

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Old 11-03-2010 | 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Nelson
Don't forget, ALPA is trying their best to get that reduced to 500 hours.
Why would ALPA do that? Wouldn't the 1,500 hour requirement make all of us more valuable and isn't that something that ALPA should want?
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Old 11-03-2010 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ShortBus_Driver
Why would ALPA do that? Wouldn't the 1,500 hour requirement make all of us more valuable and isn't that something that ALPA should want?
You're kidding, right? I mean its kind of hard to read the sarcasm in two sentences.

ALPA gave you age 65. More guys at the top of the payscale=more dues in their pockets.
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Old 11-03-2010 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildcat
More guys at the top of the payscale=more dues in their pockets.
That's kind of a silly statement. Unless there is actual GROWTH in the number of those top end seats or the payrates of those top end seats, there will be no more dues money. It's like saying that the really important number once you get hired is the number of guys behind you. Not really true except for job security in the event of a furlough... it's the number of guys in front of you that are the impediment to your progression.. unless, as I stated earlier there is GROWTH....
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Old 11-03-2010 | 06:50 AM
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Are you saying it isn't true that a more senior pilot earns more than(dues more)a more junior, extending the age increased alpa's intake, (more like compensated for losing membership). I was using that to explain, that just because alpa does "something" doesn't necessarily means they do it for the betterment of all the pilots.
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Old 11-03-2010 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildcat
Are you saying it isn't true that a more senior pilot earns more than(dues more)a more junior, extending the age increased alpa's intake, (more like compensated for losing membership). I was using that to explain, that just because alpa does "something" doesn't necessarily means they do it for the betterment of all the pilots.
I'm not necessarily arguing your entire point. All I am saying is that once you reach the top of the payscale, ANY union will receive no additional dues money from you. The only that the union's intake increases is thru growth of the top end group in terms of numbers OR payrates. But let's say that a pilot group is static.. no retirements for a while. The union receives no additional income. So now a hundred guys retire. Guys move up into those slots, and since they are at the top of the payscale... no additional income for the union. And believe me, I am completely on board with your statement that just because alpa does something.... It is a beast that needs to eat.
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