I DID. I was keying off the first part, where you said "most". I'd hardly rate it at "most". Maybe in the mecca red necka' you're based, but that's hardly the way it is at "most" airports.

 

Crash ax and fire extinguishers on every plane. Give me a break.

 

You forget that this isn't my first airline...nor is your airline the only airline that exists. Mecca red necka' isnt the only base, either.

 

Never said it was, did I? But just like you, I'm NOT at my first airline either.

Never said it was, did I? NEITHER is yours.

Agreed. With that, you just helped me prove the point about "most", thanks.

In other words, in case you can't get it, not EVERYBODY does it the same way as you're current/preious employer/domicile. How many domiciles you been in, like 2?

You made a blanket statement with the word "most", I simply disagree.

 

besides us controlling the aircraft...this is reason number 2..spot on.

he didnt need a spear gun..he had access to an ax...as we all do.

gimme a break with this screening pilots b.s.! why even let us in the cockpit at all if they cant trust us?

 

I can't believe we're wasting time discussing the topic of screening pilots. Yes, in the past people have slipped through the cracks and done bad things. Let's see, there was David Burke and PSA 1771, and let's not forget Auburn Calloway to name a few failures. In both cases, if simple basic internal control and security been followed, neither incident would have taken place. In the case of PSA 1771, had someone confiscated Burke's ID, just as any company should do when any employee is terminated, that event would not have taken place and 43 people would have more than likely still been alive through at least midnight of December 07, 1987. In the case of Auburn Calloway, FedEx should have NEVER allowed him access to a jumpseat the day before his termination hearing.

No system is perfect, but as Americans we're becoming so accustomed to being taken care of and being assured of 100% safety and security (under the threat of lawsuits lest that not happen) that it's become rather absurd! There are no guarantees in life other than none of us will get out of this alive, period. I am 100% for being as safe and secure as possible, but unfortunately no system is 100% foolproof.

The point I'm trying to make is that pilots are probably the least likely to pose a security threat to the safety of flight. Sure, there's always the exception to the rule, but who's to say that one day an armed LEO or FFDO doesn't go off the deep end and do something bad? Not very likely, but it still could happen. Once pilots have been verified and confirmed as legit through a system such as Crew Pass, then let them through and spend time that would be wasted on screening 99.9999999999% of us on the unknowns that are entering the sterile area of the airport, such as the newly hired ramp workers and aircraft cleaners who are still in the process of being background checked. That's where some of the industries' most serious potential threats are in my opinion.

 

Crash ax, fire extinguishers and don't forget flight controls on every airplane... and some pilots have guns and skip security all together. How's that fair if they can shoot the guy next to them or shoot the guys while sitting on the js?

Nothing says that they can't go crazy too as we all know a braney fife that completed the program along with the former military top gun types.

Maybe nobody should be allowed to get near the cockpit?

Or, when you become a termination or any other type of risk you shouldn't be dequalled immediately and taken out of CASS with several penalties if you try to JS while officially on administrative leave.

Life got you down? Somebody move your cheese? Need a little chicken soup for the soul?

Don't be a hater just because you don't get to take a bus straight to the crew room.

 

Just out of curiosity, in a crew pass location would anyone on principle refuse to use crew pass since pilots should be screened?

 

This makes slightly less than no sense, for reasons enumerated by other posters.

Honestly, we and real LEO's (not TSA) are the only groups that shouldn't be screened. Others, particularly including rampers and such are exactly who need to be screened. Until the TSA gets a clue, quits putting on a theater production for public view, and addresses real threats I won't take what they have to say seriously.

 

That is easily the most rediculous statement I have ever read on this forum. YGTBSM!