Pilots Need to be Screened too
12-03-2010, 10:31 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Zapata
I hated to say it, but nobody else did. Do you remember Auburn Calloway? He carried a spear gun and a hammer on a Fedex DC-10 and tried to bring it down. He was vetted and a former Naval officer. All I am saying is that the fact that we might possibly be flying the airplane isn't enough of a reason to let us through unchecked . All of us want to be expedited through, knowing full well that we might not be flying, but jumpseating or deadheading on a ticket. I betcha that the crew of that DC-10 wondered about how a fired pilot could get on their airplane with a spear gun and a hammer.
I know that there are many inconsistencies with the TSA, i.e. rampers going through unchecked, etc.. I'm as against the new scanners and the enhanced gropes as the next guy. However, let's not kid ourselves. Our case to DHS is full of holes, even though it appears that they're buying it. There has to be some level of screening for everyone, rampers, TSA goons, and yes, us.
I don't claim to have the answers, I'm just asking the unanswered question.
I know that there are many inconsistencies with the TSA, i.e. rampers going through unchecked, etc.. I'm as against the new scanners and the enhanced gropes as the next guy. However, let's not kid ourselves. Our case to DHS is full of holes, even though it appears that they're buying it. There has to be some level of screening for everyone, rampers, TSA goons, and yes, us.
I don't claim to have the answers, I'm just asking the unanswered question.
Nope.. fail.. sorry.
12-03-2010, 10:43 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by Molon Labe
If you have to ask that question you probably wouldn't understand.
12-03-2010, 10:47 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by Zapata
I hated to say it, but nobody else did. Do you remember Auburn Calloway? He carried a spear gun and a hammer on a Fedex DC-10 and tried to bring it down. He was vetted and a former Naval officer. All I am saying is that the fact that we might possibly be flying the airplane isn't enough of a reason to let us through unchecked . All of us want to be expedited through, knowing full well that we might not be flying, but jumpseating or deadheading on a ticket. I betcha that the crew of that DC-10 wondered about how a fired pilot could get on their airplane with a spear gun and a hammer.
I know that there are many inconsistencies with the TSA, i.e. rampers going through unchecked, etc.. I'm as against the new scanners and the enhanced gropes as the next guy. However, let's not kid ourselves. Our case to DHS is full of holes, even though it appears that they're buying it. There has to be some level of screening for everyone, rampers, TSA goons, and yes, us.
I don't claim to have the answers, I'm just asking the unanswered question.
I know that there are many inconsistencies with the TSA, i.e. rampers going through unchecked, etc.. I'm as against the new scanners and the enhanced gropes as the next guy. However, let's not kid ourselves. Our case to DHS is full of holes, even though it appears that they're buying it. There has to be some level of screening for everyone, rampers, TSA goons, and yes, us.
I don't claim to have the answers, I'm just asking the unanswered question.
If your concern is that pilots needing more of a screening, that should come in the form of a more thorough background check. The type that FFDOs or LEOs go through, not with a metal detector. There are hundreds of "weapons" after the security checkpoint that a pilot could use if your intent is to hurt the other pilot in the cockpit.
12-03-2010, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by detpilot
Ok, so I'll ask again... What's the big deal with going through a metal detector? I do it multiple times a week, and I don't have a problem with it. What do you need to bring on the airplane that the metal detector won't allow?
My question to you is, why don't you have a problem going through a metal detector? I think the entire thing is insulting and nothing more than eyewash for Joe Public (who apparantely thinks it's a joke too).
I, for one, think pilots getting to bypass security is long overdue - can't wait until it's all just a bad memory.
12-03-2010, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
What about those of us that fly for Uncle Sam on our time off with a plane loaded with weapons... I'll bet the background checks are more thorough than anybody else's....
Of course all this is said with the greatest respect (and some humor, if you can't laugh at yourself) for our Air Force. Good job men, thank you for your sacrifice and protecting our country.
12-03-2010, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by detpilot
Did you read my response about the flight controls issue? I'm not going to repeat it. As for the crash axe, good luck sneaking that out without the other pilot noticing, so that you can surprise attack him... That shank you snuck on board would have a much better chance.
What's wrong with going through a metal detector?
What's wrong with going through a metal detector?
12-03-2010, 12:16 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by detpilot
Ok, so I'll ask again... What's the big deal with going through a metal detector? I do it multiple times a week, and I don't have a problem with it. What do you need to bring on the airplane that the metal detector won't allow?
My metal hip... Any other questions???
12-03-2010, 01:51 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by Zapata
Your point is moot due to the simple fact that not every pilot going through security will be at the flight controls. What's to stop a unscreened jumpseating pilot from bringing some sort of weapon aboard? Pilots are not infallible as a security risk.
If the pilot is jumpseating he does not need a weapon the bring the flight down. There are so many ways to do that without even mentioning the crash ax. The pilot in question would have been removed from CASS and could not have boarded today.
12-03-2010, 04:12 PM
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Det and Zapata. In DEN, if your based here, you don't go thru security...just a fingerprint gets you thru a turnstile and directly to ops! Been that way for at least the 7 years I have been here. Works good, lasts a long time. Also, for the last 4 years I haven't been thru security anyway, anywhere...but yet I fly every month. Just sign and go. That is the best thing since sliced bread. 
Crewpass will work in a similar manner - just like currently in BWI. Its coming whether you like it or not. Next thread...
Crewpass will work in a similar manner - just like currently in BWI. Its coming whether you like it or not. Next thread...
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