Spirit...upgrade time?
12-06-2010 | 12:45 PM
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Many senior RJ captains that are in our mid forties or older find ourselves in this delema. If all the airlines had pay scales as high as UPS, FedEx and Southwest it would be an easy call. When you factor in a commute, and crash pad at the new job it looks even worse.
12-06-2010 | 03:12 PM
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In that case, here's your new #'s:
The 92 hour credits, bidding top 20, great QOL, the Skywest purchase, future prospects of flying 50 seat RJ's and fee for departure as a business model, the chances that all of the carriers used as examples keep their current contract for the next decade (or stay in business @ all) . . . the formula can't account for those.
Good luck to all the senior RJ CA's who have to make the same decision.
- Spirit = goes from 11 ->12 years (barely)
- UPS = stays @ 2 years
- Delta = goes from 7 -> 9 years (w/o accounting for pay bump)
- Southwest = stays @ 4 years
- United = oh man, goes to 17 years!
The 92 hour credits, bidding top 20, great QOL, the Skywest purchase, future prospects of flying 50 seat RJ's and fee for departure as a business model, the chances that all of the carriers used as examples keep their current contract for the next decade (or stay in business @ all) . . . the formula can't account for those.
Good luck to all the senior RJ CA's who have to make the same decision.
12-06-2010 | 04:36 PM
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it should be a no brainer for anyone younger than 45 years old imho
12-06-2010 | 09:53 PM
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With oil on the rise, at what price does Spirit remain profitable? We're likely to see $100 bbl in early 2011 and some analysts say $120 in 2012.
Hopefully $120 bbl is unlikely, based on the Fibonacci retracement, but it is on the rise.
Are they profitable at 100, 110?
Hopefully $120 bbl is unlikely, based on the Fibonacci retracement, but it is on the rise.
Are they profitable at 100, 110?
12-07-2010 | 12:59 AM
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bingo!!!!!!
12-07-2010 | 05:17 AM
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From what I understand we are profitable up to the 115-120/bbl range. Above that, well I dont know of any airline that was able to figure that out last time around, so we are all probably f'ed!
12-07-2010 | 05:42 AM
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12-07-2010 | 05:47 AM
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You're going to make a career decision based on a couple of yahoo's responses on a web forum? Really? Well, you might as well hear one more...
I'm a glass-half-full kinda guy, so I may see things differently here. Based on the a/c the company claims are on order and what years they claim we will get them says the 2015 captains haven't been hired yet. BUT...
Don't ever look to history of upgrades to tell the story of the future of upgrades. I had a buddy that went to AirTran a few years ago solely based on the possibility of a 3.5 year upgrade...oops. So it can go either way. We don't have many people on our seniority list that have DOHs between 2001 and 2007. Our actual upgrade times could go from 8-9 years to 4 years quickly.
Are you the type that is left seat or bust? Then you probably should stay put where you are. How is your pay rate anyway? If it's what I looked up as a senior guy at XJT, then you'll only be $7/hour less within 5 years ($90/hr vs. $97/hr). How's your quality of life? Most would tell you our's beats any regional's- especially for our guys living in base.
I wish you the best of luck, but I'd advise you to do a little more homework before jumping to a conclusion.
I'm a glass-half-full kinda guy, so I may see things differently here. Based on the a/c the company claims are on order and what years they claim we will get them says the 2015 captains haven't been hired yet. BUT...
Don't ever look to history of upgrades to tell the story of the future of upgrades. I had a buddy that went to AirTran a few years ago solely based on the possibility of a 3.5 year upgrade...oops. So it can go either way. We don't have many people on our seniority list that have DOHs between 2001 and 2007. Our actual upgrade times could go from 8-9 years to 4 years quickly.
Are you the type that is left seat or bust? Then you probably should stay put where you are. How is your pay rate anyway? If it's what I looked up as a senior guy at XJT, then you'll only be $7/hour less within 5 years ($90/hr vs. $97/hr). How's your quality of life? Most would tell you our's beats any regional's- especially for our guys living in base.
I wish you the best of luck, but I'd advise you to do a little more homework before jumping to a conclusion.
NOTE! Don't take any if his to heart. This is just another webboard yahoo.
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