AA recalls
07-09-2011 | 08:39 AM
#281
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Yes, AA is apparently grounding 25 80s this year, but they are still taking delivery of 2-3 737s each month. I am pretty certain that the deliveries will continue on into 2011 as well. While the parking of the 80s sounds bad, in reality, the fleet as of a few months ago included 12 in storage, 14 Spares, 5 MX, 3 Unassigned and 2 being modified. So, the parking of the 80s may not really have that much of an impact. I'd be shocked if the recalls end in August, but the AA management team has done stranger things in the past.
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07-09-2011 | 01:03 PM
#282
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BullXXXX! Please stop with your unproven sunshine predictions. The facts are as follows.
aa73, you can try to be smug, act like you have the inside story and puff up the hopes of others but you know only as much as I know. Yes I have friends on the inside too! Pilots are making future plans based on message boards like this so please try to paint an accurate picture based on facts not your dreams. When conditions change I will be the first to back up your posts but until then I'll present the ACTUAL conditions present at AA.
aa73, you can try to be smug, act like you have the inside story and puff up the hopes of others but you know only as much as I know. Yes I have friends on the inside too! Pilots are making future plans based on message boards like this so please try to paint an accurate picture based on facts not your dreams. When conditions change I will be the first to back up your posts but until then I'll present the ACTUAL conditions present at AA.
DECAF next time before you start casting stones. You're at mainline now, and your fellow AA pilots are not the enemy.
07-09-2011 | 01:13 PM
#283
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Upgrade is at '91 hire for natives, late '88 hire for TWA. Holding a line is going to depend on which base and equipment you're on, as well as how quickly guys below you are getting recalled to your bid status.
Right now, if you get STL MD80 or 767 - as a former TWA pilot you're actually really close to holding a line, since you are entering a bid status where you automatically have protected seniority.
All other bases, you will be on reserve for a while - some longer than others. As a MIA or LGA 737 pilot, it may not be too long since that's where most recallees go to. But if you get, say MIA or LGA 767, it's gonna be a much longer time since that's a much more senior bid status.
In any case, welcome back... things are really starting to move here, and no end in sight.
Right now, if you get STL MD80 or 767 - as a former TWA pilot you're actually really close to holding a line, since you are entering a bid status where you automatically have protected seniority.
All other bases, you will be on reserve for a while - some longer than others. As a MIA or LGA 737 pilot, it may not be too long since that's where most recallees go to. But if you get, say MIA or LGA 767, it's gonna be a much longer time since that's a much more senior bid status.
In any case, welcome back... things are really starting to move here, and no end in sight.
Can I get that with my Delta seniority? 
07-09-2011 | 01:30 PM
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I read another 54 737's coming over the next 2 years, so not sure where you're getting your information from. A lot of hostility and emotion in this post though. You seem pretty lathered up.
At any rate, it would appear an announcement one way or the other on either more Boeings or Airbuses, by the end of the month (could be neither, just as well). On the recall issue, I don't see any benefit to AA bringing back pilots just to make the current pilots fly more (or not call in sick) to get through the summer season. This wouldn't goose the current pilots anywhere and as a junior RSV getting more than my share of being whacked around, it hasn't or won't do that for me. Sounds like a vacation is in order for you.
Might I suggest somewhere tropical ?
At any rate, it would appear an announcement one way or the other on either more Boeings or Airbuses, by the end of the month (could be neither, just as well). On the recall issue, I don't see any benefit to AA bringing back pilots just to make the current pilots fly more (or not call in sick) to get through the summer season. This wouldn't goose the current pilots anywhere and as a junior RSV getting more than my share of being whacked around, it hasn't or won't do that for me. Sounds like a vacation is in order for you.
Might I suggest somewhere tropical ?
07-09-2011 | 01:46 PM
#285
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BullXXXX! Please stop with your unproven sunshine predictions.
aa73, you can try to be smug, act like you have the inside story and puff up the hopes of others but you know only as much as I know. Yes I have friends on the inside too! Pilots are making future plans based on message boards like this so please try to paint an accurate picture based on facts not your dreams. When conditions change I will be the first to back up your posts but until then I'll present the ACTUAL conditions present at AA.
aa73, you can try to be smug, act like you have the inside story and puff up the hopes of others but you know only as much as I know. Yes I have friends on the inside too! Pilots are making future plans based on message boards like this so please try to paint an accurate picture based on facts not your dreams. When conditions change I will be the first to back up your posts but until then I'll present the ACTUAL conditions present at AA.
I'd guess your crystal ball is just as $hitty as everyone else's.
07-09-2011 | 02:19 PM
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AA has a market cap of 1.8 Billion, has debt of 12 Billion and 6 billion in cash. It's stock is essentially worthless trading at option value only. While I applaud any effort to modernize the fleet and grow the airline it may be too little too late. AA,s "management" team is incestuous and lack the leadership skills and the intestinal fortitude to lead us forward. We need new blood to survive.
I would encourage all furloughed pilots that have jobs to defer as long as you possibly can before you decide to pull the trigger. Those of you on the outside looking to get hired I would put AA somewhere behind Biman Bangladesh on the resume stack. All that being said, however, if AA survives then the first new hires that are in their early 20,s are going to be insanely senior for most of their careers. Throw the dice..
I would encourage all furloughed pilots that have jobs to defer as long as you possibly can before you decide to pull the trigger. Those of you on the outside looking to get hired I would put AA somewhere behind Biman Bangladesh on the resume stack. All that being said, however, if AA survives then the first new hires that are in their early 20,s are going to be insanely senior for most of their careers. Throw the dice..
07-09-2011 | 03:25 PM
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AA has a market cap of 1.8 Billion, has debt of 12 Billion and 6 billion in cash. It's stock is essentially worthless trading at option value only. While I applaud any effort to modernize the fleet and grow the airline it may be too little too late. AA,s "management" team is incestuous and lack the leadership skills and the intestinal fortitude to lead us forward. We need new blood to survive.
I would encourage all furloughed pilots that have jobs to defer as long as you possibly can before you decide to pull the trigger. Those of you on the outside looking to get hired I would put AA somewhere behind Biman Bangladesh on the resume stack. All that being said, however, if AA survives then the first new hires that are in their early 20,s are going to be insanely senior for most of their careers. Throw the dice..
I would encourage all furloughed pilots that have jobs to defer as long as you possibly can before you decide to pull the trigger. Those of you on the outside looking to get hired I would put AA somewhere behind Biman Bangladesh on the resume stack. All that being said, however, if AA survives then the first new hires that are in their early 20,s are going to be insanely senior for most of their careers. Throw the dice..
Ahhh......if I were only a young punk with luck..........
But, I digress.
On the other hand, should AA need (or want) to wipe that debt out via BK, they'd be able to come out of it with the leanest balance sheet out there and competitive labor at all levels from flight crew to ground personnel. At that point, they'd be crazy not to expand like crazy and attempt to slingshot past the competition with their minimal debt and cheap costs and that would only feed the frenzy.
Of course, the common shareholders would be sold down the river and perhaps those with fat A-funds who didn't get that lump sum while they could (stayed at the table too long) might get bungholed, but those junior might (that's MIGHT) finally get their own slingshot advancement they've been waiting for. This carrier has been spinning its wheels in the mud (or turning in cricles with a broken rudder, for you nautical types) for over a decade while virtually every other carrier large and small has at least attempted to define their future. Time for AA to s%&t or get off the pot now and I think they know it.
How bad that dump smells and who has to use the can in the interim has yet to be determined, but the door to stall #1 has slammed shut and uncle AA has dropped trou and plopped onto the rim. Whistling has started and a newspaper is rustling, so if you're at AA or intend on joining, be ready to either plug your snout or bolt into the hall.
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07-09-2011 | 05:06 PM
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From: Side stick game boy.
Yep.........definately 'Vegas' time for awhile......"step right up gents and try your luck". Of course, the young turks at the regionals would cast all concerns aside and jump at the brass (or in this case, red, white and blue) ring and go for broke.......in a heartbeat too and yes, those young and leading the first street wave here in over a decade very well may pole vault upwards in record time, although many of the old geezers need to bail or flop over first. The seniority list will go from 45-55 year olds abruptly to those in their late 20's to mid 30's.
Ahhh......if I were only a young punk with luck..........
But, I digress.
On the other hand, should AA need (or want) to wipe that debt out via BK, they'd be able to come out of it with the leanest balance sheet out there and competitive labor at all levels from flight crew to ground personnel. At that point, they'd be crazy not to expand like crazy and attempt to slingshot past the competition with their minimal debt and cheap costs and that would only feed the frenzy.
Of course, the common shareholders would be sold down the river and perhaps those with fat A-funds who didn't get that lump sum while they could (stayed at the table too long) might get bungholed, but those junior might (that's MIGHT) finally get their own slingshot advancement they've been waiting for. This carrier has been spinning its wheels in the mud (or turning in cricles with a broken rudder, for you nautical types) for over a decade while virtually every other carrier large and small has at least attempted to define their future. Time for AA to s%&t or get off the pot now and I think they know it.
How bad that dump smells and who has to use the can in the interim has yet to be determined, but the door to stall #1 has slammed shut and uncle AA has dropped trou and plopped onto the rim. Whistling has started and a newspaper is rustling, so if you're at AA or intend on joining, be ready to either plug your snout or bolt into the hall.
Ahhh......if I were only a young punk with luck..........
But, I digress.
On the other hand, should AA need (or want) to wipe that debt out via BK, they'd be able to come out of it with the leanest balance sheet out there and competitive labor at all levels from flight crew to ground personnel. At that point, they'd be crazy not to expand like crazy and attempt to slingshot past the competition with their minimal debt and cheap costs and that would only feed the frenzy.
Of course, the common shareholders would be sold down the river and perhaps those with fat A-funds who didn't get that lump sum while they could (stayed at the table too long) might get bungholed, but those junior might (that's MIGHT) finally get their own slingshot advancement they've been waiting for. This carrier has been spinning its wheels in the mud (or turning in cricles with a broken rudder, for you nautical types) for over a decade while virtually every other carrier large and small has at least attempted to define their future. Time for AA to s%&t or get off the pot now and I think they know it.
How bad that dump smells and who has to use the can in the interim has yet to be determined, but the door to stall #1 has slammed shut and uncle AA has dropped trou and plopped onto the rim. Whistling has started and a newspaper is rustling, so if you're at AA or intend on joining, be ready to either plug your snout or bolt into the hall.
eaglefly,
You crack me up! I had stuff comming out my nose and my AA crash pad mates were just looking at me like I was nutz.
Keep it up
07-10-2011 | 06:21 PM
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Just yesterday, you were an Eaglet....and now it seems you have drunk a couple gallons of da kool aid. The future of Eagle is as unpredictable as AA.
Yep.........definately 'Vegas' time for awhile......"step right up gents and try your luck". Of course, the young turks at the regionals would cast all concerns aside and jump at the brass (or in this case, red, white and blue) ring and go for broke.......in a heartbeat too and yes, those young and leading the first street wave here in over a decade very well may pole vault upwards in record time, although many of the old geezers need to bail or flop over first. The seniority list will go from 45-55 year olds abruptly to those in their late 20's to mid 30's.
Ahhh......if I were only a young punk with luck..........
But, I digress.
On the other hand, should AA need (or want) to wipe that debt out via BK, they'd be able to come out of it with the leanest balance sheet out there and competitive labor at all levels from flight crew to ground personnel. At that point, they'd be crazy not to expand like crazy and attempt to slingshot past the competition with their minimal debt and cheap costs and that would only feed the frenzy.
Of course, the common shareholders would be sold down the river and perhaps those with fat A-funds who didn't get that lump sum while they could (stayed at the table too long) might get bungholed, but those junior might (that's MIGHT) finally get their own slingshot advancement they've been waiting for. This carrier has been spinning its wheels in the mud (or turning in cricles with a broken rudder, for you nautical types) for over a decade while virtually every other carrier large and small has at least attempted to define their future. Time for AA to s%&t or get off the pot now and I think they know it.
How bad that dump smells and who has to use the can in the interim has yet to be determined, but the door to stall #1 has slammed shut and uncle AA has dropped trou and plopped onto the rim. Whistling has started and a newspaper is rustling, so if you're at AA or intend on joining, be ready to either plug your snout or bolt into the hall.
Ahhh......if I were only a young punk with luck..........
But, I digress.
On the other hand, should AA need (or want) to wipe that debt out via BK, they'd be able to come out of it with the leanest balance sheet out there and competitive labor at all levels from flight crew to ground personnel. At that point, they'd be crazy not to expand like crazy and attempt to slingshot past the competition with their minimal debt and cheap costs and that would only feed the frenzy.
Of course, the common shareholders would be sold down the river and perhaps those with fat A-funds who didn't get that lump sum while they could (stayed at the table too long) might get bungholed, but those junior might (that's MIGHT) finally get their own slingshot advancement they've been waiting for. This carrier has been spinning its wheels in the mud (or turning in cricles with a broken rudder, for you nautical types) for over a decade while virtually every other carrier large and small has at least attempted to define their future. Time for AA to s%&t or get off the pot now and I think they know it.
How bad that dump smells and who has to use the can in the interim has yet to be determined, but the door to stall #1 has slammed shut and uncle AA has dropped trou and plopped onto the rim. Whistling has started and a newspaper is rustling, so if you're at AA or intend on joining, be ready to either plug your snout or bolt into the hall.
07-10-2011 | 08:21 PM
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Everything about that post indicates uncertainty. How you came to any other conclusion leads me to believe there's a couple of bad jugs on your radial.
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