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Old 06-16-2011, 11:09 AM
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Goldman Sachs + politicians = entire country being F-ed in so many ways

Government subsidized corruption. The rich and powerful manipulate it to their benefits, while we cant do a thing about it.

Here's another great article from Rolling Stone about Wall Street execs wives getting $220 million from bailout programs:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ilout-20110411
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Old 06-16-2011, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamK View Post
Bucking Bar, you're spot on. I was overseas the past 8 years serving our country, and in contrast to the insidious change most other Americans saw, I came back to a culture shock: It seems most Americans have an Ipod, Iphone, and Ipad and are constantly glued to it: facebooking, tweeting or texting all the time. They don't care and don't want to pay attention to what's going on around them. People are so much more selfish and unconcerned with civic affairs or what's really going on in the world than they were even 10 years ago.

Many great empires including the Roman Empire weren't crushed by invaders, but rather rotted from the inside out. Rome's corrupt politicians and crippling bureacracy caused it to implode. America needs to wake up and citizens need to take responsibility for the general state of the country. People need to demand that their elected representatives act in our interests. Oh, wait, I forgot, they're too busy tweeting young girls and sending pictures of their junk over the internet.
First, thanks for your service. When I was in I remember the exact same feelings. I spent 3 years in the Far East, and when I returned, I had missed Max Headroom, and the explosion of Domino's Pizza... (what??? They will bring it to my HOUSE??? In 30 minutes or it's FREE????) While not as dramatic as the electronic advancement, I can totally relate to what you said. The one thing that is common to both our experiences is that politicians.. American politicians, are still sleazy and corrupt, and nothing will ever change that.
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Old 06-16-2011, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxQ View Post
Bucking,
Oil shortages are real. For some years now the world supply of oil produced is less than that consumed. The difference is made up by alternatives such as tar sands , liquidfied NG (condensates as they are called) and bio fuels. Unfortunately, price manipulation is also real and under our current system speculation bubbles are a certainty. Any attempts to control the speculators is met by viscious resistance and a hugh and cry of Socialism. The sway that such powers as Goldman have over our legislators and media (which leads to the thought control that allows them to have public approval of their lack of regulatory constraints) leads me to doubt that any limits that are effective will be placed on speculators.
You are correct about cap and trade. It is merely a way to redistribute wealth to the few...such as Goldman et al. The most unfortunate result will be almost no impact on reducing carbon emissions (which all serious science points to as a mortal threat). What I have read points to something more akin to fee and dividend as a way to let the market drive towards alternatives to carbon emissions. (read that as something to replace coal...oil in transportation use is FAR behind as a damaging agent). As one who trys to be a rational realist in his philosophy, I have strong doubts as to anything akin to fee-and-dividend as it doesn't siphon any of the money to a few vested interests. Cap and Trade does, hence I suspect it will be what the world will end up with, and it will accomplish little.
It's uninformed/misinformed people like you that allow the government to foist this massive wealth theft from the producers to the ruling class to happen. There is zero serious science that points to carbon as a "mortal threat". From Micheal Chrichton:

HESTON: You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity! Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time.
It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. Might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. You think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine.

When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. Hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.

The fact is that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a myth based on junk science. The emails from the University of East Anglia prove this. The mortal threat is governments insatiable thirst for more money to spend and spread around to their friends in the Ruling Class.

Bar is correct.
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Old 06-16-2011, 03:41 PM
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Satchip, you never cease to amaze me. I hope it's very blissfull in the world you've created for yourself.
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Old 06-16-2011, 06:35 PM
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In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
University of Edinborough, had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as
a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up
until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves
generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the
majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits
from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will
finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed
by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200
years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:




From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
The Obituary follows:

Born 1776, Died 2012
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St.
Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the
last Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2
McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income
tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy,
with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached
the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegal's - and they vote - then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years.

This is truly scary! Of course we are not a democracy, we are a
Constitutional Republic . Someone should point this out to Obama. Of
course we know he and too many others pay little attention to The
Constitution or the War powers act.
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Old 06-16-2011, 07:06 PM
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Anyone wonder why? We have a "Revolving Door" policy in DC. The huge corporations pay the Senators/Congressmen (through election campaign contributions) to "Vote" their way. Later in life, these same Politicians, after rewriting all the rules for their "Sponsors", leave office and take a job...with the same Clowns they were supposed to be "Regulating"! Remember NH Senator Judd Greg? Where is he now?

Former Senator Judd Gregg to Join Goldman Sachs - National - The Atlantic Wire

There are over 42,000 Registered Lobbiest in Washington DC, they -Pay- our 535 "Representatives" to write the rules (the RLA in our case) to their own benefit, and if they do a good job, guess what? They Hire them!

We have the Best Government Money Can (and does) Buy!

But here's the thing, when are We the People going to pick up the pitchforks and head to DC? We'll get the Government we deserve, if we are too weak to stop them, and so far, that's exactly what we have been, weak.

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Old 06-16-2011, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
University of Edinborough, had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as
a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up
until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves
generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the
majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits
from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will
finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed
by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200
years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:




From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
The Obituary follows:

Born 1776, Died 2012
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St.
Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the
last Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2
McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income
tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy,
with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached
the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegal's - and they vote - then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years.

This is truly scary! Of course we are not a democracy, we are a
Constitutional Republic . Someone should point this out to Obama. Of
course we know he and too many others pay little attention to The
Constitution or the War powers act.

Great post Scambo.

Carl
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