You should be treated as an equal.

So.... let's furlough you so what you consider to be your job can be insourced back to mainline.

When your company sells their own tickets and flies their own paint then you can be treated as an equal.

 

Then management goes to court, sticks it on ALPA. Investigation shows that it isn't ALPA's doing. Management then panics with no idea how to prevent a recurrence. Only advice from their own attorneys is to sign a contract since they can't figure out how to sue.

PIPE

 

Unfortunately, the court may say: "OK ALPA, it wasn't your doing, but you are ordered to make it stop anyway, or you will be fined out of existence."
Such things have happened.

 

Exact reason this would NEVER work. You'll NEVER get all pilots to join hands to talk and act in one voice, because of pilots like this one right here.

 

I may be wrong, but knowing a thing or 2 about corporate America & pressure tactics, What I read from this is .......

"The Orange stickers on the flight bags will be seen by the Chief Pilot who talks to management & other chief pilots"

The point is not to Halt the system, the threat that it could bring the system to a Halt, even for 2 hours, without the pilots taking to the picket lines, is what would scare the Topp Brass in Management & that scare would cause them to ask them to call the union leaders & pilots to the table, is what they would like to achieve. OR executing this 2 hour stall in the system one time & the threat of having it again on a regular basis would get the managements to the table......

The voice will be heard across the country.....

But I could be wrong..... I am still at a point where I am not even considered a newbee YET...

 

I know that!!! Don't judge the rash by the dipper.... But with diarrhea like him the irritation is just out of control!!!

 

Where do you get off making statements like this?? You don't know me or what I will do.

I just think someone who is flying regional aircraft with my airlines paint while I'm out furloughed and then they demand equality of treatment is pretty hypocritical.

Do you care to explain why, because I think that any aircraft with an airlines paint should be flown by that airlines pilots, this is counter to the solidarity being proposed?

 

I'm with you dosbo. I'd wager that over half of the cockpit seats at regionals are direct replacements for mainline seats and half are what the regional business would have naturally been if grown sensibly.

PIPE

 

So I'm curious, if you were given the option of being furloughed, or stepping down to the smaller aircraft, flying the smaller legs, would you have done that? or would that have been beneath you, even though the aircraft is painted in 'your' company's colors?

And, another question, wasn't it 'your' company that outsourced those smaller legs? why is it the regional pilot's fault for 'taking' your job, sounds to me like 'your' company gave those jobs away, so you should be angry with 'your' company and realize that your fellow pilot is just trying to make a living, or am I incorrect on that?

 

No I would have no problem flying smaller aircraft down to BE-1900 as long as they are on the mainline certificate and seniority list, and paid a liviable wage that one can support a family on. I have been offered several opportunities at regionals at second year pay, through the J for J program, and declined because I refuse to outsource myself for substandard wages. Therefore I guess I prefer to be furloughed as opposed to selling myself out.

Yes it was the management that demanded and ALPA leadership that allowed the rampant outsourcing of the flying. I did not get to vote on the matter and I am appropriately angry with the company and ALPA.

As far a my fellow pilot trying to make a living, well that's what I was doing too when my job was outsourced to the lowest bidder. I am all for pilots making a good living at improved mainline wages at mainline. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't you rather have more flying at mainline and the opportunity to fly and have a career at the mainline? Or are you a career regional pilot?