CaptainCarl

One's made from fruit juice and the other from real fruit But that's not what you were getting at, was it?

FlyJSH

Jelly jiggles and jam oozes?

slumav505

Link or source?

sulkair

Forgive me if this has already been covered:

Do any of you guys worry that the new rest rules could diminish our quality of life in the sense that we may end up spending more time away from home in order for the companies to extract the same number of flight hours from us?

Whereas now we work hard and sometimes sleep less but after the new rules we may work just as hard, sleep more and thereby have less time at home.

Just a concern of mine - of course safety is paramount!

Old UCAL CA

What!? You don't think that more "rest" hours on the road away from your home base and time zone is restful? How dare you.

Seriously, you would be surprised at the number of individuals who think that more "rest" hours in a road hotel is some sort of "victory feather" in the rest cap.

If you'll pardon the pun, you can "rest" assured that more time on the road for more rest and the same pay is going to translate to less time at home on an annual basis.

We'll just have to wait and see how it all works out.

afterburn81

I'm sure it will be painful in the begging. However, take Delta for example. The pilot contract has many provisions that are at least or more restrictive then this new rule.

It will affect the regional side more than anything. I believe that there will be a day soon within the next few years that people give up on the whole pilot thing. When they see that the job just consumes too much time for too little pay. That's when you will see the companies step up and do the right thing. The pay is already about as low as it can get. The job will have to become more attractive again. It really has let itself go.

Something has got to give.

80ktsClamp

Bingo... this will make outsourcing even less effective, which with appropriate pushing can bring job expansion back to the top tier jobs. Result? Less people stuck at the regionals and getting real top paying career jobs.

Flamer

It really has let itself go.

That is the funniest sh@' I have read on here in a long time. I'm laughing right now. Thanks

Nevets

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TonyWilliams

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...2009-1093-0001

Sec. 117.1 Applicability.

This part prescribes flight and duty limitations and rest
requirements for all flightcrew members and certificate holders
conducting operations under part 121 of this chapter. This part also
applies to all flightcrew members and part 121 certificate holders when
conducting flights under part 91 of this chapter.


Sec. 117.13 Flight time limitation.

No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may
accept an assignment or continue an assigned flight duty period if the
total flight time:
(a) Will exceed the limits specified in Table A of this part if the
operation is conducted with the minimum required flightcrew.
(b) Will exceed 16 hours if the operation is conducted with an
augmented flightcrew.


Sec. 117.15 Flight duty period: Un-augmented operations.

(a) Except as provided for in Sec. 117.17, no certificate holder
may assign and no flightcrew member may accept an assignment for an
unaugmented flight operation if the scheduled flight duty period will
exceed the limits in Table B of this part.
(b) If the flightcrew member is not acclimated:
(1) The maximum flight duty period in Table B of this part is
reduced by 30 minutes.
(2) The applicable flight duty period is based on the local time at
the flightcrew member's home base.
(c) In the event unforeseen circumstances arise:
(1) The pilot in command and certificate holder may extend a flight
duty period up to 2 hours.
(2) An extension in the flight duty period exceeding 30 minutes may
occur only once in any 168 consecutive hour period, and never on
consecutive days.


Sec. 117.17 Flight duty period: Split duty.

For a split duty period, a certificate holder may extend and a
flightcrew member may accept a flight duty period up to 50 percent of
time that the flightcrew member spent in a suitable accommodation up to
a maximum flight duty period of 12 hours provided the flightcrew member
is given a minimum opportunity to rest in a suitable accommodation of 4
hours, measured from the time the flightcrew member reaches the rest
facility.


Sec. 117.19 Flight duty period: Augmented flightcrew.

The flight duty period limits in Sec. 117.15 may be extended by
augmenting the flightcrew.
(a) For flight operations conducted with an acclimated augmented
flightcrew, no certificate holder may assign and no flightcrew member
may accept an assignment if the scheduled flight duty period will
exceed the limits specified in Table C of this part.
(b) If the flightcrew member is not acclimated:

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(1) The maximum flight duty period in Table C of this part is
reduced by 30 minutes.
(2) The applicable flight duty period is based on the local time at
the flightcrew member's home base.
(c) No certificate holder may assign and no flightcrew member may
accept an assignment under this section unless during the flight duty
period:
(1) Two consecutive hours are available for in-flight rest for the
flightcrew member manipulating the controls during landing;
(2) A ninety minute consecutive period is available for in-flight
rest for each flightcrew member; and
(3) The last flight segment provides an opportunity for in-flight
rest in accordance with paragraph (c)(1) of this section.
(d) No certificate holder may assign and no flightcrew member may
accept an assignment involving more than three flight segments under
this section unless the certificate holder has an approved fatigue risk
management system under Sec. 117.7.
(e) At all times during flight, at least one flightcrew member with
a PIC type-rating must be alert and on the flight deck.
(f) In the event unforeseen circumstances arise:
(1) The pilot in command and certificate holder may extend a flight
duty period up to 3 hours.
(2) An extension in the flight duty period exceeding 30 minutes may
occur only once in any 168 consecutive hour period.


Sec. 117.21 Reserve status.

(a) Unless specifically designated otherwise by the certificate
holder, all reserve is considered long-call reserve.
(b) For airport/standby reserve, all time spent in a reserve status
is part of the flightcrew member's flight duty period.
(c) For short call reserve,
(1) All time within the reserve availability period is duty.
(2) The reserve availability period may not exceed 14 hours.
(3) No certificate holder may schedule and no reserve flightcrew
member on short call reserve may accept an assignment of a flight duty
period that begins before the flightcrew member's next reserve
availability period unless the flightcrew member is given at least 14
hours rest.
(4) The maximum reserve duty period for un-augmented operations is
the lesser of--
(i) 16 hours, as measured from the beginning of the reserve
availability period;
(ii) The assigned flight duty period, as measured from the start of
the flight duty period; or
(iii) The flight duty period in Table B of this part plus 4 hours,
as measured from the beginning of the reserve availability period.
(iv) If all or a portion of a reserve flightcrew member's reserve
availability period falls between 0000 and 0600, the certificate holder
may increase the maximum reserve duty period in paragraph (c)(4)(iii)
of this section by one-half of the length of the time during the
reserve availability period in which the certificate holder did not
contact the flightcrew member, not to exceed 3 hours.
(5) The maximum reserve duty period for augmented operations is the
lesser of--
(i) The assigned flight duty period, as measured from the start of
the flight duty period; or
(ii) The flight duty period in Table C of this part plus 4 hours,
as measured from the beginning of the reserve availability period.
(iii) If all or a portion of a reserve flightcrew member's reserve
availability period falls between 0000 and 0600, the certificate holder
may increase the maximum reserve duty period in paragraph (c)(5)(ii) of
this section by one-half of the length of the time during the reserve
availability period in which the certificate holder did not contact the
flightcrew member, not to exceed 3 hours.
(d) For long call reserve,
(1) The period of time that the flightcrew member is in a reserve
status does not count as duty.
(2) If a certificate holder contacts a flightcrew member to assign
him or her to a flight duty period or a short call reserve, the
flightcrew member must receive the required rest period specified in
Sec. 117.25 prior to reporting for the flight duty period or
commencing the short call reserve duty.
(3) If a certificate holder contacts a flightcrew member to assign
him or her to a flight duty period that will begin before and operate
into the flightcrew member's window of circadian low, the flightcrew
member must receive a 12 hour notice of report time from the air
carrier.
(e) An air carrier may shift a reserve flightcrew member's reserve
availability period under the following conditions:
(1) A shift to a later reserve availability period may not exceed
12 hours.
(2) A shift to an earlier reserve availability period may not
exceed 5 hours, unless the shift is into the flightcrew member's window
of circadian low, in which case the shift may not exceed 3 hours.
(3) A shift to an earlier reserve period may not occur on any
consecutive calendar days.
(4) The total shifts in a reserve availability period in paragraphs
(e)(1) through (e)(3) of this section may not exceed a total of 12
hours in any 168 consecutive hours.


Sec. 117.23 Cumulative duty limitations.

(a) The limitations of this section on flightcrew members apply to
all commercial flying by the flightcrew member during the applicable
periods.
(b) No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may
accept an assignment if the flightcrew member's total flight time will
exceed the following:
(1) 100 hours in any 28 consecutive calendar day period and
(2) 1,000 hours in any 365 consecutive calendar day period.
(c) No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may
accept an assignment if the flightcrew member's total Flight Duty
Period will exceed:
(1) 60 flight duty period hours in any 168 consecutive hours and
(2) 190 flight duty period hours in any 672 consecutive hours.
(d) Except as provided for in paragraph (d)(3) of this section, no
certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may accept an
assignment if the flightcrew member's total duty period will exceed:
(1) 65 duty hours in any 168 consecutive hours and
(2) 200 duty hours in any 672 consecutive hours.
(3) If a flightcrew member is assigned to short-call reserve or a
certificate holder transports a flightcrew member in deadhead
transportation in, at a minimum, a seat in aircraft cabin that allows
for a flat or near flat sleeping position, the total duty period may
not exceed:
(i) 75 duty hours in any 168 consecutive hours and
(ii) 215 duty hours in any 672 consecutive hours.
(4) Extension of the duty period under paragraph (d)(3) of this
section is limited to the amount of time spent on short-call reserve or
in deadhead transportation.


Sec. 117.25 Rest period.

(a) No certificate holder may assign and no flightcrew member may
accept assignment to any reserve or duty with the certificate holder
during any required rest period.
(b) Before beginning any reserve or flight duty period, a
flightcrew member

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must be given at least 30 consecutive hours free from all duty in any
168 consecutive hour period, except that:
(1) If a flightcrew member crosses more than four time zones during
a series of flight duty periods that exceed 168 consecutive hours, the
flightcrew member must be given a minimum of three physiological nights
rest upon return to home base.
(2) A flightcrew member operating in a new theater must receive 36
hours of consecutive rest in any 168 consecutive hour period.
(c) No certificate holder may reduce a rest period more than once
in any 168 consecutive hour period.
(d) No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may
accept an assignment for reserve or a flight duty period unless the
flightcrew member is given a rest period of at least 9 consecutive
hours before beginning the reserve or flight duty period measured from
the time the flightcrew member reaches the hotel or other suitable
accommodation.
(e) In the event of unforeseen circumstances, the pilot in command
and certificate holder may reduce the 9 consecutive hour rest period in
paragraph (d) of this section to 8 consecutive hours.


Sec. 117.27 Consecutive nighttime operations.

No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may
accept more than three consecutive nighttime flight duty periods unless
the certificate holder provides an opportunity to rest during the
flight duty period in accordance with Sec. 117.17.


Sec. 117.29 Deadhead transportation.

(a) All time spent in deadhead transportation is considered part of
a duty period.
(b) Time spent in deadhead transportation is considered part of a
flight duty period if it occurs before a flight segment without an
intervening required rest period.
(c) Time spent entirely in deadhead transportation during a duty
period may not exceed the flight duty period in Table B of this part
for the applicable time of start plus 2 hours unless the flightcrew
member is given a rest period equal to the length of the deadhead
transportation but not less than the required rest in Sec. 117.25 upon
completion of such transportation.


Sec. 117.31 Operations into unsafe areas.

(a) This section applies to operations that cannot otherwise be
conducted under this part because of unique circumstances that could
prevent flightcrew members from being relieved by another crew or
safely provided with the rest required under Sec. 117.25 at the end of
the applicable flight duty period.
(b) A certificate holder may exceed the maximum applicable flight
duty periods to the extent necessary to allow the flightcrew to fly to
a destination where they can safely be relieved from duty by another
flightcrew or can receive the requisite amount of rest prior to
commencing their next flight duty period.
(c) The flightcrew shall be given a rest period immediately after
reaching the destination described in paragraph (b) of this section
equal to the length of the actual flight duty period or 24 hours,
whichever is less.
(d) No extension of the cumulative fatigue limitations in Sec.
117.3 is permitted.
(e) If the operation was conducted under contract with an agency or
department of the United States Government, each affected air carrier
must submit a report every 60 days detailing the--
(1) Number of times in the reporting period it relied on this
section to conduct its operations.
(2) For each occurrence,
(i) The reasons for exceeding the applicable flight duty period;
(ii) The extent to which the applicable flight duty period was
exceeded; and
(iii) The reason the operation could not be completed consistent
with the requirements of this part.
(f) If the operation was not conducted under contract with an
agency or Department of the United States Government, each affected air
carrier must submit a report within 14 days of each occurrence
detailing--
(1) The reasons for exceeding the applicable flight duty period;
(2) The extent to which the applicable flight duty period was
exceeded; and
(3) The reason the operation could not be completed consistent with
the requirements of this part.
(g) Should the Administrator determine that a certificate holder is
relying on the provisions on this section, the Administrator may
require the certificate holder to develop and implement a fatigue risk
management system.

Table A to Part 117--Maximum Flight Time Limits for Unaugmented
Operations
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Maximum flight time
Time of start (Home base) (hours)
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0000-0459..................................... 8
0500-0659..................................... 9
0700-1259..................................... 10
1300-1959..................................... 9
2000-2359..................................... 8
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Table B to Part 117--Flight Duty Period: Unaugmented Operations
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Maximum flight duty period (hours) for lineholders based on number of flight
Time of start (Home base or segments acclimated) ------------------------------------------------
...................................1........2..... ......3..........4............5...........6....... ...7+
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0000-0359...................9.........9...........9.... ......9...........9...........9...........9
0400-0459..................10.......10...........9..... .....9...........9...........9...........9
0500-0559..................11.......11..........11..... ...11..........10.........9.5.........9
0600-0659..................12.......12..........12..... ...12..........11.5......11.........10.5
0700-1259..................13.......13..........13..... ...13..........12.5......12.........11
1300-1659..................12.......12..........12..... ...12..........11.5......11.........10.5
1700-2159..................11.......11..........10..... ...10............9.5.......9...........9
2200-2259..................10.5....10.5.........9.5.... ...9.5..........9.........9............9
2300-2359....................9.5......9.5.........9.... .....9.............9.........9............9
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Table C to Part 117--Flight Duty Period: Augmented Operations
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Maximum flight duty period (hours) based on rest facility and number of pilots
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Time of start (local time)
.............................Class 1 rest facility......Class 2 rest facility.....Class 3 rest facility
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.............................3 Pilots....4 Pilots........3 Pilots......4 Pilots.....3 Pilots.....4 Pilots
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0000-0559................14...........16..............1 3............14.5..........12..........12.5
0600-0659................15...........17.5...........14 ............15.5..........13..........13.5
0700-1259................16...........18.............15 .5..........17.............14..........14.5
1300-1659................15...........17.5..........14. ............15.5..........13..........13.5
1700-2359................14...........16.............13 ............14.5...........12..........12.5
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