"Impending Age 60 Train Wreck"
10-16-2006, 11:11 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by rjlavender
Some of the rank and file has romaticized the image of ALPA national. ALPA does, indeed, make crucial decisions that affect members at both the local and national levels.....................
Union membership in the private sector is now at 7.8%, yet some people are unable to see the collapse. The airline unions are a complete disaster and ALPA has not been able to cope. The American people have overwhelmingly rejected traditional unionism in favor of...well, nothing.
There is a move afoot at UAL to decertify ALPA. I don't think it has much of a chance of succeeding unless it tries something really new, but it shows how deep the internal divisions run.
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It's over, gang. It's time to create something new.
Thanks for the note.Bob
Union membership in the private sector is now at 7.8%, yet some people are unable to see the collapse. The airline unions are a complete disaster and ALPA has not been able to cope. The American people have overwhelmingly rejected traditional unionism in favor of...well, nothing.
There is a move afoot at UAL to decertify ALPA. I don't think it has much of a chance of succeeding unless it tries something really new, but it shows how deep the internal divisions run.
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It's over, gang. It's time to create something new.
Thanks for the note.Bob
Bob remember FDX decertified ALPA? Remember we tried something New?
I remember you ranting about your personal problems back then called FPA and it didn't work out so good. Where where you then? You were never involved in either FDX ALPA or FPA committe work. All you do is ***** when things don't go your way. I've met your type before. We gave your type blanket parties in the middle of the night in the Marines.
So according to BOB we should all quit ALPA and just have a Jet Blue of revert back to the FCH Flight Advisory Board type work environment.
BOB you are the true miniority, you've sated your case and very few of us are buying it. Your a NON-member whiner. Pay your Union Adminstration fees or shut your trap!
10-16-2006, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Bob did you ever stop to think Unionsim has declined in the US because of all the outsourcing of Labor to Foreigh countries? Less labor jobs = declining Unions.
Bob remember FDX [PILOTS] decertified ALPA? Remember we tried something New? I remember you ranting about your personal problems back then called FPA and it didn't work out so good.
Where where you then? You were never involved in either FDX ALPA or FPA committe work.
So according to BOB we should all quit ALPA and just have a Jet Blue of revert back to the FCH Flight Advisory Board type work environment.
BOB you are the true miniority, you've sated your case and very few of us are buying it.
Oh, BTW -- ALPA's schemes are never going to work until the create a NATIONAL seniority list and make it stick. But as you know, pilots are too greedy and self-serving to consider that option.
skypair
Last edited by skypair; 10-16-2006 at 12:55 PM.
10-16-2006, 01:23 PM
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[QUOTE=skypair;69862]I don't know you but "outsourcing" airline pilot jobs???? Where did you get that???
He didn't say pilot jobs, just responding to Bob's 7% union membership dribble. What percentage of jobs have unions representing them and what percentage of those people belong? Wouldn't that be compairing apples to apples. By the way skypair, according to Bob, if we don't know who you are, your opinions don't count.
He didn't say pilot jobs, just responding to Bob's 7% union membership dribble. What percentage of jobs have unions representing them and what percentage of those people belong? Wouldn't that be compairing apples to apples. By the way skypair, according to Bob, if we don't know who you are, your opinions don't count.
10-16-2006, 01:27 PM
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Bob, the question was where is the trainwreck at FedEx that you have been preaching about? You have been asked very specific questions but have only repeated or rephrased your original ramblings.
poster: Bob, tell me why there is an impending trainwreck at FedEx.
Bob: I like cheese.
I think I'll go to the lav-and-er flush another NON-member.
poster: Bob, tell me why there is an impending trainwreck at FedEx.
Bob: I like cheese.
I think I'll go to the lav-and-er flush another NON-member.
10-16-2006, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric
Is anyone actually proposing that foreign pilots older than age 60 be permitted to continue to fly in U.S. airspace, while U.S. pilot citizens are not?
Foreign pilots don't take mandatory **** tests either and they fly american citizens in US airspace.......so what's your point?
10-16-2006, 04:00 PM
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Hmm..
NMB is getting thrashed and all of the sudden a new poster, with 2 total posts mind you, tries to come support his point of view? Can you say dual screen names for NMB? He and his new buddy make quite a SKYPAIR.
NMB is getting thrashed and all of the sudden a new poster, with 2 total posts mind you, tries to come support his point of view? Can you say dual screen names for NMB? He and his new buddy make quite a SKYPAIR.
10-16-2006, 04:05 PM
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Quote:
Bob remember FDX [PILOTS] decertified ALPA? Remember we tried something New? I remember you ranting about your personal problems back then called FPA and it didn't work out so good.
As I recall, we got our first contract. As I recall there were plenty of ALPA-lovers who wouldn't accept anything FPA negotiated anyway. That "blanket" you're thinking about is the "wet blanket" you threw over everything FPA did.
end quote....
Oh yea, FPA got us that great parking lot deal..... Did you support ALPA 1?
Past...
Bob remember FDX [PILOTS] decertified ALPA? Remember we tried something New? I remember you ranting about your personal problems back then called FPA and it didn't work out so good.
As I recall, we got our first contract. As I recall there were plenty of ALPA-lovers who wouldn't accept anything FPA negotiated anyway. That "blanket" you're thinking about is the "wet blanket" you threw over everything FPA did.
end quote....
Oh yea, FPA got us that great parking lot deal..... Did you support ALPA 1?
Past...
10-18-2006, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Falconjet
Wow Bob, thanks for pointing that out. Now what was it again? What exactly is the train wreck again? I still have no idea what the train wreck is. What bad thing is going to happen in the future if pilots have to retire at 60? Oh, the furloughed guys get to come back to work, yeah that will really suck.
I didn't realize that ALPA set the retirement age.
Also, the MAJORITY of ALPA members agree with the age 60 rule. That sounds like unity to me.
Cry me a river all you want about CAL scabs joining ALPA and you holding the line. Thank you for doing what was right then.
Quitting now, however, just because you are near the end of your career, is NOT the right thing, you have to play the whole game. You don't get a pass because you had a good first half or quarter. You are now a quitter who couldn't finish the game.
ALPA is united in favor of the age 60 rule. Too bad you have to take your ball and go home because you don't agree.
FJ
I didn't realize that ALPA set the retirement age.
Also, the MAJORITY of ALPA members agree with the age 60 rule. That sounds like unity to me.
Cry me a river all you want about CAL scabs joining ALPA and you holding the line. Thank you for doing what was right then.
Quitting now, however, just because you are near the end of your career, is NOT the right thing, you have to play the whole game. You don't get a pass because you had a good first half or quarter. You are now a quitter who couldn't finish the game.
ALPA is united in favor of the age 60 rule. Too bad you have to take your ball and go home because you don't agree.
FJ
Why did ALPA turn traitor to it’s senior members after supporting a change to the age 60 rule for over twenty years?
Why has ALPA now institutionalized age discrimination as an accelerated job advancement scheme for its junior pilots?
There is growing support within the pilot unions to change the “Age 60 Rule". The following unions and pilot employee groups have gone on record that they support a change the Age 60 Rule:
US AIRWAYS
IBT Teamsters
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES PILOTS ASSOCIATION (Independent)
JET BLUE (Independent)
AMERICAN TRANS AIR/ATA (ALPA Master Executive Council)
AMERICA WEST MEC (ALPA Master Executive Council)
SPIRIT (ALPA Master Executive Council)
CONTINENTAL (ALPA Local Executive Councils of Houston and Newark)
The only two organized labor unions that remain officially oppose a change to the “Age 60 Rule”, are ALPA and APA. Even though ALPA's official position is that they are still against it, there appears to be growing sentiments within the rank and file of ALPA for changing the "Age 60 Rule”.
Why must ALPA and APA dictate to the rest of the United States airline industry when all airline pilots must retire?
Since it’s inception, “The Age 60 Rule” has been an on-going curse on the airline industry. The primary reason why the “Age 60 Rule” is still around today is because of the persistent opposition from ALPA and APA as they continue to succeed in preventing a change to the “Age 60 Rule” through their political influence within the FAA along with their lobbying efforts in Congress. The only real motive (Safety is a ruse) behind ALPA and APA resisting a change to the “Age 60 Rule” reflects the “me now” attitude of their junior pilots.
One would have to beg answers these questions:
When did junior pilots became more valuable than experienced senior pilots?
Why would ALPA, a labor union, actively support a rule that discriminates against its own senior members, forces them to leave their workplaces and leave them with reduced benefits?
DUMP ALPA GO IBT TEAMSTERS!
10-19-2006, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by OV1D
The only real motive (Safety is a ruse) behind ALPA and APA resisting a change to the “Age 60 Rule” reflects the “me now” attitude of their junior pilots.
Your g-g-g-generation invented youth culture, coined "40 is the new 20", and "60 is the new 40", ran up a massive Federal Deficit which you won't be around to pay off, and even now demand more in SSI payments than you ever put in, forcing the next generation (which many of you were too selfish to even birth or raise) to support you.
And you have the cast iron B@!!s to accuse younger pilots of being selfish!?!
"Pot, this is Kettle, over."
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