lolwut

I thought the whole idea behind this was "we are flying the plane anyways, so why do we need to be screened to prevent us from being able to access the cockpit"?

Flight attendants aren't. Sure, they do come up from time to time, but its during times of our choosing and they're not up there alone.

Make them go through security, I'm sick of all this flight attendant "me too!" crap. We are two different work groups with two entirely different sets of experience, backgrounds, and responsibilities.

CRJAV8OR

It is much easier to get any number of airport jobs that allow access to the secured area through non screened doors or other access points.

Fishfreighter

Are the F/As listed in CASS?

flyou11

This is great news! I can't wait. But really it doesn't effect me bcs my awesome company won't join the program. O'well.

I do agree, I don't like the "include the FA". We are two different "jobs". Also, where is their union in wanting/spending money on this? My captain and I were talking last week. He said he has noticed some FA beginning to think the are equal or greater than the us, or even the Captain. They don't understand the chain of command and the fact the entire plane is under the command/the responsibility of the captain. He said he has seen FA come up and start twisting the temperature knobs in the flight deck. Even with CRM being a big deal today, I always respect the Captain as being in charge and not me. The FA should do the same, if not even more. I have even heard one new FA say she should have gone the extra 3 weeks in training to become a pilot. Some of them just don't get it. (I say this however, 90% of the FA I fly with are awesome, respectable individuals).

No. Unless this was a rhetorical question. If so then pretend I didn't say anything.

Wow, I don't know why I never though about this, but the trash is always on my side. This has to be modern day hazing. haha

iaflyer

No, and that's partly a the sticking point. They would have to go through all the steps for that. Also, ALPA and ATA are jointly helping pay for Known Crewmember if I remember. Wonder if AFA, etc will help out.

Personally, I think the "include FAs in KC" line is window dressing. I don't know about other carriers, but at Delta the FAs push for everything the pilots having, using the line, "well, we can always vote in a union who will get what we want".

gloopy

So we should extend that airtight failsafe to non pilot flight crewmembers with flight deck access?

That's like us saying "well, I'm not really watching my altitude, so that means I don't have to watch my airspeed either".

More Bacon

Our dues money at work. Basically, we are paying ALPA to improve the FAs' QOL.

Dear ALPA: You've got enough on your plate to take care of on OUR behalf. How about you spend our dues money...on US. Not the FAs.

More Bacon

That's a Delta problem, not an ALPA problem. ALPA should know not to use a single ounce of influence/negotiating capital; or spend a solitary cent of our dues money paying someone to type "ALPA wants FAs to get KCA."

UNACCEPTABLE.

Why do we put up with this nonsense from "our" bargaining agent?

lolwut

I'm unsure about this whole thing. It sounds nice, but on the other hand... this is how I usually approach airport security checkpoints.

shfo

Reason not to let them through KCM.

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