Delta has a TA
05-21-2012 | 09:23 AM
#701
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From: Doing what you do, for less.
Sounds like for this one, TA stands for...
.... for me to poop on.
.... for me to poop on.
05-21-2012 | 09:26 AM
#702
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What an absolute embarrassment. How do we start the process of recalling the reps that voted yes, and the negotiating committee?
05-21-2012 | 09:29 AM
#703
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If you haven't sent in your DPA card yet what are you waiting for?
05-21-2012 | 09:29 AM
#704
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Unfortunately True.
Word from rep.
4, 8.5,3,3
small increase to dc
35% cut in profit sharing to fund raises
Increases in 76 seat a/c, less overall rj hulls
No comment on jv, or Alaska.
overtime number at 85 hours!!!
I actually am looking forward to going head to head with the sales men in the lounges, forums, etc. This is not insulting, its degrading.
P.S. I forgot!! there is also a ..... wait for it.... promise for 100 seat airframes included, no joke.
Word from rep.
4, 8.5,3,3
small increase to dc
35% cut in profit sharing to fund raises
Increases in 76 seat a/c, less overall rj hulls
No comment on jv, or Alaska.
overtime number at 85 hours!!!
I actually am looking forward to going head to head with the sales men in the lounges, forums, etc. This is not insulting, its degrading.
P.S. I forgot!! there is also a ..... wait for it.... promise for 100 seat airframes included, no joke.
05-21-2012 | 09:31 AM
#705
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From: 7ER A
Here is the take on your TA from United's CEO Smisek.
The guys at the top seem pretty happy with it..
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...-to-pilots.pdf
Jeff Smisek
President and Chief Executive Officer
May 21, 2012
Dear Pilots:
I want to thank you for your professionalism, as you provide our customers with safe and reliable air transportation every day.
As I’ve said ever since we merged, my goal is to bring work groups together in a manner that is fair to them and fair to the company. Fairness, in a highly competitive business like commercial aviation, means paying competitively, and receiving in return competitive services so that our customers will want to fly us and our investors will want to invest in us. We need to charge competitive prices for our products, and pay competitive prices for the goods, services and people that we need to run our airline.
I’ve spoken to a large number of you in the cockpit as I have traveled around the system, and I share your desire for a quick resolution to contract negotiations for a joint collective bargaining agreement. Since March 2012, when NMB mediators and the parties established the “small group” negotiating process, we’ve made substantial progress in reducing the number of open issues. We are fast approaching the point that the parties will begin to negotiate the key remaining issues.
I’m sure by now you know that Delta and its pilots’ union recently announced a tentative agreement which, among other things, provides significant pay increases, along with efficiencies for the carrier and scope changes permitting expanded use of larger regional jets. The new Delta TA raises the market pay for commercial airline pilots, and effectively sets a new competitive standard for pilot pay. We will be responsive to the impact of the new Delta TA in our negotiations and will need to adjust our current contract proposal to be competitive with the Delta TA. Our proposal will include significant pay rate increases that are competitive with the new Delta TA, as well as scope and work rules that are competitive with the new Delta TA and permit us to remain competitive in the airline business.
Now is the time for all parties to put aside political differences and posturing, and focus on the remaining open contract items. What I ask of you is that we work together to complete our negotiations promptly.
We’ve been negotiating long enough. Let’s get this done.
Respectfully,
Jeff Smisek
The guys at the top seem pretty happy with it..
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...-to-pilots.pdf
Jeff Smisek
President and Chief Executive Officer
May 21, 2012
Dear Pilots:
I want to thank you for your professionalism, as you provide our customers with safe and reliable air transportation every day.
As I’ve said ever since we merged, my goal is to bring work groups together in a manner that is fair to them and fair to the company. Fairness, in a highly competitive business like commercial aviation, means paying competitively, and receiving in return competitive services so that our customers will want to fly us and our investors will want to invest in us. We need to charge competitive prices for our products, and pay competitive prices for the goods, services and people that we need to run our airline.
I’ve spoken to a large number of you in the cockpit as I have traveled around the system, and I share your desire for a quick resolution to contract negotiations for a joint collective bargaining agreement. Since March 2012, when NMB mediators and the parties established the “small group” negotiating process, we’ve made substantial progress in reducing the number of open issues. We are fast approaching the point that the parties will begin to negotiate the key remaining issues.
I’m sure by now you know that Delta and its pilots’ union recently announced a tentative agreement which, among other things, provides significant pay increases, along with efficiencies for the carrier and scope changes permitting expanded use of larger regional jets. The new Delta TA raises the market pay for commercial airline pilots, and effectively sets a new competitive standard for pilot pay. We will be responsive to the impact of the new Delta TA in our negotiations and will need to adjust our current contract proposal to be competitive with the Delta TA. Our proposal will include significant pay rate increases that are competitive with the new Delta TA, as well as scope and work rules that are competitive with the new Delta TA and permit us to remain competitive in the airline business.
Now is the time for all parties to put aside political differences and posturing, and focus on the remaining open contract items. What I ask of you is that we work together to complete our negotiations promptly.
We’ve been negotiating long enough. Let’s get this done.
Respectfully,
Jeff Smisek
05-21-2012 | 09:31 AM
#706
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From: 737 ATL
The 4,8.5,3,3 pay raises, more 76 seater and less profit sharing rumors can not be true.
The MEC would not have ratified that.
I will wait for the actual language.
The MEC would not have ratified that.
I will wait for the actual language.
05-21-2012 | 09:33 AM
#708
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From: 7er
I find it hard to believe also. Hopefully it is just a few tools out there spreading crap. On another topic, is anyone having trouble getting on the DALPA forums?
05-21-2012 | 09:35 AM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Just the fact that there is a CUT to our profit sharing tells me the Company has figured out they are going to be making a boat-load of money, soon. That's why THEY wanted to get us locked into this low end deal ASAP, before the earnings numbers started going up, up, up. Can you imagine if we were in negotiations next summer, and they were forcasting $2Billion in profit for 2013?
BTW, I'll have to go look it up, but think there is a tigger in our current profit sharing formula, that gives us a -much bigger- piece of the pie, when earnings go over $1Billion, which would explain why they wanted that 35% reduction, NOW.
BTW, I'll have to go look it up, but think there is a tigger in our current profit sharing formula, that gives us a -much bigger- piece of the pie, when earnings go over $1Billion, which would explain why they wanted that 35% reduction, NOW.
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