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Old 05-21-2012 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
OK.. and just how will the donuts improve on that? Just asking an honest question. We will be able to get what we are able to get. Huffin and puffin ain't gonna get us any more. I don't like what I am hearing either, but voting in a bunch of blowhards won't change things. All the donut holes are are a bunch of disgruntled ALPA guys that lost power and desperately want it back. No thanks.

Think of DALPA like a corporation. A corporation whose mission in its existence is to be an advocate for and promote our needs.

If what is being told to folks and posted here is true about our TA, then they have failed.

When leadership fails in a corporation in a significant way, changes are made in the leadership personnel. Case in point, JP Morgans latest multi billion dollar trading failure.

When it appears the whole leadership team has failed, much like bankruptcy, everyone needs to be replaced as this is largely what happens in every BK.

We are looking at a monumental failure. We need a complete change in our DALPA leadership. Only if there is resistance and the current leaders cling to power like African dictators would I advocate a change in bargaining representative.


Oh, and T, just how could any group improve on it you ask? Use a Wall Street bank for EF&A and a skilled labor orientated law firm and consultants for negotiation.

To bad we can't vote SWAPA in for representation, or can we ???????
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I don't like the contract and will vote against it. However I have not ever known when ALPA national interjected themselves into Dalpa negotiations and don't believe that happened this time. In fact the agreement substantially reduces the number of DCI pilots that will be working on contract for Delta airlines. The hard cap on DCI will be 455 airframes down from something above 650 now. They also will not be able to access one additional 76 seat airframe without mainline growth.

The more I read and hear it actually is becoming obvious to me that the agreement contains a lot more for the bottom half of the seniority list then the top half. My initial reaction was that it could not ratify. As I hear more I believe it will pass with the bottom half of the list. The top half however will vote it down. The question is by how much and will it offset the bottom. The bottom will look at the advancement the deal will offer and ignore the small contractual raises for the upgrade opportunities. If what I hear is true they may be substantial.
To get out of the leases on a large number of RJ's the company will have to place a substantial aircraft order with the company that holds those leases. You can connect the dots on what that means but it starts with a C.
I bet the company is WAAAYY ahead of us on that one. Order a bunch of C-series to meet the letter of the law, pump up the big DCI RJ's to the new max, then renegotiate scope in the next contract to allow those C-series to be flown at DCI. And the Delta pilots? Fooled again - amateurs!

Personally, I don't care about cutting the number of RJ pilots or balancing the block hours between DL and DCI. I care about mainline DL growth, and that will not happen if we farm out even more seats on those 70-76 seaters.
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:24 AM
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Chairman's Letter is up on DALPA site with a brief synopsis of major items (scope, pay).
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:25 AM
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Old 05-21-2012 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Answer the question... what will they do, and how will they do it?
I'm a relatively new guy and I'm not sure how I'm going to vote - for the contract which I haven't seen, or for the union. And by the way, the thousands of new pilots below me will likely show up with the same innocence/naivety/idiocy/perspective, whatever you choose to label it.

I'm not trying to pick an argument with you sir, but if your own tagline is "don't care anymore," I think the people considering DPA are a little more optimistic, and that's why there is a movement. You're chiming in, so I guess you must care.

Now to pi$s everyone else off who may rightfully call this naive, I think that if my company becomes more profitable and more competitive, I should (emphasized) share in the benefits. This involves facing reality, negotiating on scope. For the trigger finger hotheads, I didn't say lie down and die, I said have the conversation and not draw a line in the sand. But the real point is that DPA could actually have that conversation w/o having its hands tied behind its back, unlike DALPA. DPA won't represent the competition, and that's all the reason I needed to get the card and hear more.
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by StormChaser
Chairman's Letter is up on DALPA site with a brief synopsis of major items (scope, pay).
Wow. FAIL.
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I don't like the contract and will vote against it. However I have not ever known when ALPA national interjected themselves into Dalpa negotiations and don't believe that happened this time. In fact the agreement substantially reduces the number of DCI pilots that will be working on contract for Delta airlines. The hard cap on DCI will be 455 airframes down from something above 650 now. They also will not be able to access one additional 76 seat airframe without mainline growth.

The more I read and hear it actually is becoming obvious to me that the agreement contains a lot more for the bottom half of the seniority list then the top half. My initial reaction was that it could not ratify. As I hear more I believe it will pass with the bottom half of the list. The top half however will vote it down. The question is by how much and will it offset the bottom. The bottom will look at the advancement the deal will offer and ignore the small contractual raises for the upgrade opportunities. If what I hear is true they may be substantial.
To get out of the leases on a large number of RJ's the company will have to place a substantial aircraft order with the company that holds those leases. You can connect the dots on what that means but it starts with a C.
Capped at 455 76 seaters, BUT not one more RJ without mainline growth???? 650x50=32500. 455x76=34580. As one of the bottom 300 guys, I haven't seen anything I like that has officially been released. More short calls, more hours on straight pay, higher average line values at the companies choosing. The new RAW bucket system is a bucket of crap. The changes to reserves required formula was a needless give away by ALPA.

So to sum up, work more, less pay, less mainline pilots, more stagnation and more DH'ing to cover other bases. I can't see any junior guys voting for this.
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:32 AM
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I bet the company is WAAAYY ahead of us on that one. Order a bunch of C-series to meet the letter of the law, pump up the big DCI RJ's to the new max, then renegotiate scope in the next contract to allow those C-series to be flown at DCI. And the Delta pilots? Fooled again - amateurs!

Personally, I don't care about cutting the number of RJ pilots or balancing the block hours between DL and DCI. I care about mainline DL growth, and that will not happen if we farm out even more seats on those 70-76 seaters.
I agree. Delta can have as many 76 seaters as they want / need - but they MUST be flown by DAL pilots. NO MORE OUTSOURCING!
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:32 AM
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Dear Fellow Pilot,
Today, your MEC approved the tentative agreement for our new contract, over seven months in advance of the amendable date of our current contract. This agreement represents a significant accomplishment achieved in a difficult economic and negotiating environment. As in any negotiations, we did not achieve everything we set out to achieve, but substantial improvements have been made throughout our contract.

The contract language will be posted to the Section 6page of the Delta MEC website today. The language is provided in the format of the existing Pilot Working Agreement annotated with tracked changes. Over the next several weeks, you will receive a great deal of information concerning the agreement. You will soon receive a Negotiators’ Notepad which will provide an overview of the agreement followed by expanded Notepads, each of which will cover various subjects in greater detail.

In this letter, I’d like to provide you with a high-level overview of the agreement.

Our amendable date in the current agreement is December 31, 2012. Just one day later, on January 1, 2013, pay rates will be 12.8 percent greater than they are today. Four percent of that increase will take place once the agreement is ratified with an additional increase of 8.5 percent on January 1, 2013. This will be followed by pay increases of three percent at the beginning of 2014 and 2015. Just two years after the amendable date of our current agreement, pay rates will be almost 20 percent above where they are today. Pilots will also receive an additional one percent contribution to their defined contribution plans effective January 1, 2014. Importantly, we have eliminated the pay differential that exists between the MD-88 and the MD-90; MD-88 pay rates will now match those of the MD-90.

Some will argue these increases are not enough and that we should hold out for more, but this ignores the time-value of consistent year-over-year increases. Southwest pilots, for example, are where they are today because they work for a consistently profitable company and have received a series of modest pay increases. On the other hand, some pilot groups have stagnated with no increases for years waiting for the elusive home-run payout. Since the merger, and through the end-rate gains of this agreement, same-seat compensation (pay and defined contribution increases) at Delta will, on average, increase over 53 percent. A 737 captain, for example, earned $153.42 per hour in 2008 and received an 11 percent DC contribution. On January 1, 2015, he will be paid $216.92 per hour and receive a 15 percent DC contribution.

In terms of scope, we were able to achieve important improvements, from the smallest jets through international joint venture protections. Scope is the most complex section of the contract. At its core, it is about who flies Delta’s passengers and ultimately, about Delta pilot jobs.

Importantly, we will have a block hour ratio, which establishes a minimum amount of mainline flying relative to DCI flying and a cap on the total number of 50 to 76 seat DCI aircraft. Delta will be permitted accelerated access to 76-seat jets, but this access can only occur if Delta first acquires small narrow-body jets flown by Delta mainline pilots and if there is a significant reduction in the number of 50-seat aircraft. Without the acquisition of these new mainline aircraft, Delta will be capped at the current level for 70/76-seat jets. Ultimately, under this agreement, Delta’s access to 76-seat jets will be capped at 32 less than what is allowed in the current PWA. Additionally, Delta will no longer be permitted to convert 70-seat jets to 76-seat jets going forward, regardless of the size of the mainline fleet.

Delta management decides which aircraft it operates, but we have every reason to believe that Delta will soon announce the purchase of aircraft contingent on the ratification of this agreement. This will represent a major opportunity for many of our pilots to upgrade from the right seat to the left seat and will also create a need for additional hiring for the right seat. While the details are complex and best left for a dedicated Negotiators’ Notepad, let me summarize by saying that if Delta executes its plan for the small narrow-body jet flying, the result will be a major shift of block hours to Delta mainline. The share of mainline domestic flying will increase by 21 percent and the ratio of mainline domestic to DCI flying will increase by 57 percent over the life of this agreement.

We achieved a number of improvements in the scheduling arena, and one of the most significant is in the area of reserve flying. The reserve guarantee will be established as two hours below the average line value (ALV) with a floor of 72 and a ceiling of 80. This improvement alone will result in a monthly pay increase for reserves of between 2.9 - 14.3 percent depending on the monthly ALV, before the pay table increases are applied. Combined with the other improvements to reserve, it is my view that when viewed in aggregate, we will have the best reserve system in the industry.

The complicated and often punitive 75 percent sick leave bank has been eliminated. All sick leave up to a pilot’s yearly accrued maximum will be paid at 100 percent, and for pilots with over 20 years of service, the sick leave accrual will increase from 240 to 270 hours per year.

The agreement also includes an early retirement program similar in scope to the program offered to other Delta employees earlier this year, and this program will also be the subject of a standalone communication.

There are many other improvements in the tentative agreement such as “vacation any,” average daily guarantee (ADG), elimination of the sick leave monitoring program and others too numerous to cover here. In addition to the communications I’ve already discussed, the MEC administration and the Negotiating Committee will begin a series of system-wide road shows commencing after the Memorial Day weekend. We will also produce a streaming video for those unable to make it to a road show. In short, we will do everything in our power to provide you with all the information you need to cast an informed vote once the ratification window opens next month.

This tentative agreement provides for an amendable date of December 31, 2015, three years after our current amendable date. Under the current PWA, we would not enter mediation until March 2013. In mediation, the average time spent to reach an agreement is 29 months. Our time in mediation could be more; it could be less. But if we take the average, that means we might not reach an agreement until the fall of 2015, just months ahead of the amendable date of the recently achieved tentative agreement. Put another way, we’ll be deep into negotiations for our follow-on agreement (Contract 2015) even before we might have reached an agreement on Contract 2012.

In a recent Chairman’s Letter to you, I wrote somewhat cryptically about fleeting opportunities, and earlier in this letter, I wrote about Delta’s fleet plan. The value the Delta pilots receive in conjunction with this TA is a result of Delta’s desire to execute its business plan in a timely fashion. It is in large part due to this leverage that we were able to seize the opportunity to reach this agreement over seven months ahead of the amendable date. Delta can execute a portion of its fleet plan without an agreement with ALPA, but this is a rare opportunity to accelerate and enhance that plan to the benefit of both Delta and the Delta pilots.

Finally, I would like to thank the MEC Negotiating Committee and their expanded team for the incredible work they have done over the past 18 months and in particular, during the last two months. The Delta pilots have once again set the bar for pattern bargaining, and shattered the paradigm of drawn-out negotiations. Importantly, if this agreement is ratified, we don’t intend to stop there. Your MEC will continue to make incremental but significant improvements at every opportunity, just as we have for the past several years.
The Delta MEC Negotiating Committee wholeheartedly endorses this agreement, and the Delta MEC has approved and endorsed this agreement. It is my recommendation that when the time comes to cast your vote, you vote to ratify the agreement.
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:32 AM
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We may be called Mad Dogs... but we have a super high cycle limit.
Originally Posted by tsquare
Not necessarily, but I do not think they would do any better either. The supporters apparently DO think they could do better. That is fine.. I want them to tell me HOW they would do better. As I said, if these rumors are true, I am not very happy about it. Personally, I do not want to go down the road that APA went down. Do we deserve 30% pay increases? Absolutely. Is it reasonably attainable? You have to judge that for yourself. I can see what the rest of the industry is doing, and I will make my judgement based on that. That is all I am gonna say about that.

Lastly, I still do not trust FAQs to answer my questions about their motives either, and you know exactly what I am talking about. If they want respect, they need to act like they want to be treated. Open the website if you have nothing to hide. Let's see what you are all about. I am not going to further their political quest by signing a card just to read their so-called transparent information.
Do we deserve 30%... YES. Is it justifiable? YES. Why? Because it was justifiable for a judge to impose 47% paycuts in bankruptcy. Furthermore, the company is immensely profitable now and can afford it! This TA is gonna go over like a turd in a punch bowl!
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