Originally Posted by bigdaddie

Deflecting how? Our MEC has failed, period. The proof is in the ink on the chairman's letter. I will take the "disgruntled" group any day over the representatives we have now. Do you really thing they have done well for us? You must still be high from the LM smoke that had this group intoxicated. Delta is looking at record profits for this year under the worst economy since the depression (please don't tell me you voted for Obama too), and we must fund much of our own raises and give away even more flying? Try some Gatorade instead.

Originally Posted by Trash Hauler

Seriously?! Tried and failed is what DALPA has done.This TA is an insult. I am not going to continue to pay dues to fund ALPA and obviously will vote a BIG NO!. I have do not want feed that useless machine and all of the regionals they now rep. This TA should certainly bring the number of DPA members up. What were they thinking.We lost 40+ % in pay.The airline is making money.This is a concessionary contract! Why??

Originally Posted by bigdaddie

Deflecting how? Our MEC has failed, period. The proof is in the ink on the chairman's letter. I will take the "disgruntled" group any day over the representatives we have now. Do you really thing they have done well for us? You must still be high from the LM smoke that had this group intoxicated. Delta is looking at record profits for this year under the worst economy since the depression (please don't tell me you voted for Obama too), and we must fund much of our own raises and give away even more flying? Try some Gatorade instead.

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer

"Delta management decides which aircraft it operates, but we have every reason to believe that Delta will soon announce the purchase of aircraft contingent on the ratification of this agreement. This will represent a major opportunity for many of our pilots to upgrade from the right seat to the left seat and will also create a need for additional hiring for the right seat. While the details are complex and best left for a dedicated Negotiators’ Notepad, let me summarize by saying that if Delta executes its plan for the small narrow-body jet flying, the result will be a major shift of block hours to Delta mainline. The share of mainline domestic flying will increase by 21 percent and the ratio of mainline domestic to DCI flying will increase by 57 percent over the life of this agreement."

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. The tilted spin on this sold to educated people is beyond comprehension. It's angering and disrespectful to the quality people it is being sold to. We don't need the used car salesmanship. It is one of my number one biggest dislikes about ALPA along with not doing what the line pilots ask (thinking on behalf of line pilots with some sense of superiority like everybody else is stupid). Oh yeah, don't forget about how ALPA talks down to and berates its membership.

This proposal is defecation at its worst! The proposal and DALPA stink pretty bad right now.

Originally Posted by tsquare

You are so clueless. You have plenty of vitriol, and no solutions. I don't remotely like what I have read so far. I do not know what we can do to do any better. Do you? Please... enlighten me. Will voting in the donuts get us anything better? I am all ears, and willing to listen. I hear no plan from them. Voting no just to send a message or some such logic is no strategy either. If voting in donuts will improve things.. and you can show me a strategy that they would bring.. I'm in.. but just being mad isn't gonna get us anywhere... Maybe sending this back will get us something better, maybe it won't.

Oh, and I totally resent your implication that I will vote one way or the other. I haven't made up my mind yet..

Originally Posted by tsquare

And I REALLY resent you calling me an obama voter. We can disagree, but you don't have to be vulgar.

Originally Posted by tsquare

That's fine.. I want you to go into this with open eyes. If we vote in the donuts... we will likely remain under a BK contract for 3 to 5 more years. Also realize that we are currently operating under a BK contract that has no .. as in ZERO pay increases going forward. That means that the windmills we will be chasing are getting farther and farther away with each passing year. If you think the DPA can gen up all the committees and infrastructure that is necessary to go to the company with their offers, you are very clueless. But I will go along with whatever the group wishes to do.. if it means all of that.. then fine. I just hope being disgruntled will be worth it. I have my doubts.

And I REALLY resent you calling me an obama voter. We can disagree, but you don't have to be vulgar.

Originally Posted by finis72

Anger isn't a plan. The APA is 5 years into contract negotiations and much changed since they started. If anybody on here truly believes any group can get 40% out of Delta in the RLA/NMB envoirment then they are the kool aid drinkers. I haven't decided yet, I'll wait for all the info but on the surface I'm disappointed.

Originally Posted by Check Essential

ALPA obviously believes our compensation has been "reset" over the last decade and we are now working fom a new lower baseline.