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06-01-2012 | 01:10 PM

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DeadHead

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Ugh, too much text.

I guess a picture is worth a thousand words...

Or is it an Excel spreadsheet is worth a thousand words?

06-01-2012 | 01:11 PM

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From: Kickin’ Back

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Here's the thing, in 2008 we merged and had 602 mainline domestic jets.

Today we have 566. A 6% drop.

Is there anything to indicate the company would throw capacity discipline out the window and increase ASMs?

No there is nothing to indicate they would or will. Bottomline DCI will be shrinking (if not then I think we would see unprecedented growth) and isn't that what we are all after?

I just want to add: don't think I'm happy with the additional 76ers, I'm not. I'm trying to look at the scope clause as a whole vs the individual pieces.

Denny

06-01-2012 | 01:15 PM

#203

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From: Light Chop

damnit this is killing me.

no computer! no spreadsheet!

06-01-2012 | 01:45 PM

#204

More Bacon

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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope

You can even let them have it about how "infuriated" you are with their product, and how inept they are and how you do not approve of their selling us out to gain the good graces of the management types so that they might join them down the road....would you do that for us Bacon?

DALPA ignored thousands of pilots' input from the survey.

I'm not likely to waste my time talking to the clowns who did so.

My goal is not to engage in a futile give-and-take with DALPA. It's to vote this POS down and convince others to do the same.

06-01-2012 | 03:49 PM

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From: 737n/FO

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Originally Posted by slowplay

There are no promises of growth in this agreement, just substantial downside protections embodied in the capturing of block hours shifted from DCI to mainline.

If Delta executes on their business plan the additions of B717 and certain other retained aicraft would require slightly more than 1000 additional pilot positions to be added. Productivity changes should be offset by staffing formula increases and the early retirement program. None of that is guaranteed.

What is guaranteed is the block hour ratio and contractual fleet caps on DCI. The percentage of Delta passengers flown by Delta pilots will go up substantially with this agreement, even if Delta shrinks.

By exchanging 50 seaters that they don't want (heavy checks, unprofitable, etc.) for 76 seaters (brand new with First Class and great CASM) they will make the new block hour ratios easily. Every talks about how many fewer seats there will be at DCI - THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE COMPANY WANTS - they want capacity discipline at DCI and this gives it to them with increased profitability.