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Old 06-02-2012 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Yup, Delta will give more options then the non stop. They'll also give options to get you Europe, Africa, and Asia. Does SWA do that? And yes, Continental is different then SWA because they fly multiple types of airplanes.
Europe, Africa and Asia are just different destinations?

No under your multiple types of airplanes theory Southwest is just like Continental because they currently have 2 airplanes in their fleet. You haven't gotten them yet have you?

Continental must be on a completely different playing field than Delta or American because they have an international base. Can't compare what those guys do.....
Old 06-02-2012 | 11:55 AM
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Old 06-02-2012 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
And minus the last 8 years, SWA pilot pay lagged just about everyone else. Even though the company was doing so well. So they as a pilot group really haven't contributed much, have they?

Southwest does thing differently. Do they serve cities like PIA, SGF, MTY, etc? No, they stay away from the small communities because they can't serve then without a hub and spoke system.
I completely agree with that. They are on top because others fell and if memory serves, their last contract only offered up 2% in raises which was less than historical when they lagged behind. Don't get me started on their pay for training and previously pay for interview.

Southwest, Delta, USAirways, United and American all do things that are different. Doesn't mean that they aren't all going for the same group of people when you compare them on head to head destinations. Not routes but destinations. I know people who will take connections because the direct is expensive or take the direct because the connection route costs too much. They still both do the same thing via the same mode of transportation.
Old 06-02-2012 | 12:05 PM
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If you don't understand it by now, I can't help you.
It's like I'm taking crazy pills..... some people just don't get it.
Old 06-02-2012 | 12:27 PM
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Johnso,

It is easier to enjoy when Eric Stratton is on your ignore list. He's a troll.
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Originally Posted by sinca3
Funny, we're up to page 7 and no response from Slow. It seems every time a logical argument that actually might prove him wrong comes up he just ignores it.
Slow, I like the balance you bring (most of the time) especially when you bring ALL the fact's not just the ones that support your argument!
I thought the answer to Trouble's point was common knowlege among DAL pilots. The early retirements were brought up during SLI in the merger in 2008. The vast majority of the nearly 2400 earlies from 2003-2005 would have been retired due to age 60 by December 12, 2007 when the age changed. The time frame we're talking about is when other airlines furloughed in 2008-2009.
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
I completely agree with that. They are on top because others fell and if memory serves, their last contract only offered up 2% in raises which was less than historical when they lagged behind. Don't get me started on their pay for training and previously pay for interview.

Southwest, Delta, USAirways, United and American all do things that are different. Doesn't mean that they aren't all going for the same group of people when you compare them on head to head destinations. Not routes but destinations. I know people who will take connections because the direct is expensive or take the direct because the connection route costs too much. They still both do the same thing via the same mode of transportation.
Hey! We did it!!!! We agree on something!!! I too agree that SWA and Delta do similar things. But I also feel the business structure is different between the two. On that, we will likely have to agree to disagree.


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It's like I'm taking crazy pills..... some people just don't get it.
Hey if this industry gets worse, you may become my dealer! I'm going to need some pills!
Old 06-02-2012 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I thought the answer to Trouble's point was common knowlege among DAL pilots. The early retirements were brought up during SLI in the merger in 2008. The vast majority of the nearly 2400 earlies from 2003-2005 would have been retired due to age 60 by December 12, 2007 when the age changed. The time frame we're talking about is when other airlines furloughed in 2008-2009.
I was referring to the omission of SWA in your argument. Trouble responded to you with:
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How many RJ's does the SWAPA scope allow, and how many pilots did SWA furlough?

There are many reasons an airline expands or contracts. Scope is just one of those reasons. To state as you do above that "the" reason (by omission of any other reason) is misleading.
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Johnso,

It is easier to enjoy when Eric Stratton is on your ignore list. He's a troll.
What have I said that is inaccurate or being a troll? I don't come on here to sing Kumbaya or to look at underboob. There are other websites for that. I come on here to have discussions but when my thoughts don't jive with others it seems to make me a troll. Interesting philosophy I guess though. Troll doubtful but definitely blunt. I do find it funny how not telling people who I work for seems to be a bigger issue than what I say.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Hey! We did it!!!! We agree on something!!! I too agree that SWA and Delta do similar things. But I also feel the business structure is different between the two. On that, we will likely have to agree to disagree.
Do you think they compete for the same customers? Domesticly at least?
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