Hey DELTA, if you want more 70 seaters...
#32
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Don't worry to much about RJ's being flown by delta pilots at mainline. This will happen probably in the next 24 months. What is going to happen? Well, I do believe that Delta management will just purchase a regional pilot group and welcome them to Delta. Seat lock them in the RJ for a few years and then all RJ's will be flown by Delta pilots. Problem solved....
#33
Don't worry to much about RJ's being flown by delta pilots at mainline. This will happen probably in the next 24 months. What is going to happen? Well, I do believe that Delta management will just purchase a regional pilot group and welcome them to Delta. Seat lock them in the RJ for a few years and then all RJ's will be flown by Delta pilots. Problem solved....
Interesting first post.
#35
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
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I guess so. I've only been in the industry for 10 years, and in those 10 years I've seen nothing but growth at the regionals. All of those previous contracts had excuses, being an economic downturn and all. But the excuses for this latest round of outsourcing just don't make sense to a lowly RJ pilot like myself.
#36
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Position: DAL 330
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Not sure 76 seaters will grow - A No vote may stop this. True, the three for one would allow more 76 seaters but when you consider 70 seaters will have to parked (255 CAP on 70 +76 seaters) the large RJs will not really grow with a NO vote.
If we sold Scope what did we get for it? Scope is too complicated to accurately describe in a bumper sticker. Bad decisions go back decades and the final straw was in BK - I wouldn't really call that selling it.
ALPA and DALPA both have made many poor Scope descions - this is very obvious in hindsight. but I am not sure it was obvious back when they were making the decisions. 70 Seat Scope at DAL actually goes back to 1986. Before the RJ, Scope strictly limited seats and made no distinction between jets and Props. Along came the RJ and we have been playing catch up ever since.
PM me your E-mail address and I will send you a 5 page history of Scope at DAL written a few years ago be a C-44 guy.
Scoop
#37
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Really? Not that we ever voted on 30 seat Scope, but if we did and the Pilots only allowed more 30 seaters, but no larger aircraft - what would be the Scope limit Now? Hint - 30 seats.
Repeat for 44, 50, and 70.
As a junior guy, 2000 hire, Scope is by far the most important issue to me. Problem is, our Scope already sucks so just saying No more RJs doesn't really work.
Scoop
#38
Why are we trading 50 seat RJ's for 76 seat RJ's?? The 50 seat RJ's are toast! They are dead dinosaurs. We are fools if we think we are gaining by the "accellerated retirement" of 50 seats RJ's. They have been, and will continue to retire those, no matter wheather we ratify this TA or not.
Come on guys, a ~50% increase in 76 seat RJ's?
What happened to holding the line? NO MORE RJ's!
PTC
Come on guys, a ~50% increase in 76 seat RJ's?
What happened to holding the line? NO MORE RJ's!
PTC
#39
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Hmm, what airline never furloughs and always makes a profit. How about not flying anything with less then a 100 seats because IT DOESN'T MAKE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#40
Why are we trading 50 seat RJ's for 76 seat RJ's?? The 50 seat RJ's are toast! They are dead dinosaurs. We are fools if we think we are gaining by the "accellerated retirement" of 50 seats RJ's. They have been, and will continue to retire those, no matter wheather we ratify this TA or not.
Come on guys, a ~50% increase in 76 seat RJ's?
What happened to holding the line? NO MORE RJ's!
PTC
Come on guys, a ~50% increase in 76 seat RJ's?
What happened to holding the line? NO MORE RJ's!
PTC
The issue I do have w the small jet scope is the enforcement of the ratios. There don't appear to be provisions for concrete penalties for failure to comply, other than a grievance ruled on by an arbitrator. If the ratios could be assured, I personally wouldnt give a damn if we allowed unlimited 76 seat jets. If the company wanted to buy 1000 of them and average 3 or so hours a day in them, they still would have to use Delta mainline pilots in far greater proportion than they are now.
All of the current RJ drivers pleading for DAL pilots to stop the outsourcing, be careful what you wish for. If this TA passes close to 1500 of your jobs will cease to exist. Some number of them will move to mainline, but i doubt it will be all.
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