That is incorrect. UAL does not outsource any CRJ900 or E175 jets. They would love to, but Scope language doesn't allow for it.

 

Delta management is intelligent enough to know that scope relief is best sold when you don't have to furlough.

 

It's unfortunate that my goal of no new scope erosion at Delta pins me as a junior guy. I would like to think that all Delta pilots have a goal of no new RJs.

I currently fly one of your outsourced "RJs" coast to coast with one stop.

I'm not mad (angry), but perhaps I am mad (crazy) for hoping that the outsourcing can slow down, maybe even stop.

 

Let me take a stab at this.

You currently have a cap of 255 for the 70/76 seat planes correct. Is there anything stopping mainline from getting additional 76 seat airplanes in your contract. The answer is yes and no. Yes in the fact that they can't go to the regionals without scope relief. No in the fact that there is nothing that says Delta can't buy as many as they want as long as Delta pilots are flying them. You guys already have the pay scales in the contract for crj900. (one version of a current 76 seat airplane) Mainline wants to dump some of the 50 seaters and says they need an order of 76 seaters to allow that. If you guys flew them how is this not a way to allow this to happen? How is this not a plan?

Yes the pilot costs are more than what is being offered at the regionals but do you feel that those are fair rates and then ask yourself do the regionals have any leverage to actually raise them on their own? The answer to both is no. If they raise bar they lose them to the next flavor of the week regional. As for the rates and being too expensive what was the payscale for the dc9-10? It was the same as all the other dc9's out there and your current payscales for the emb195 and emb 190/crj900 are well below that of the current dc9 payscales. Isn't that already a concession? Why is more needed than that?

Why is it ok to dump more 76 seaters on pilots that hold virtually zero leverage and expect them to do the lifting which everyone knows can't happen. The regional pilots don't have any say when flying is taken away but the majors do.

The problem that some see is that because it costs more for you to fly them there is less in the piggy bank for you. That could be and if that's the case, aren't the pilots at the majors basically saying it's all about me and my paycheck and **** on the rest of you. Yeah I know that sound harsh but isn't that what loosening scope does? Allows for larger pay rates at the majors being subsidized by the pilots at the regionals? Has anyone ever said what it would "actually cost" to have those flown at mainline? How much of a % in pay would it cost? (per pilot)

One last thing. How much more are pilots at the mainline making because they have allowed all of this outsourcing?

 

What's your advice for their leverage so that another flavor of the week regional doesn't come in and under cut them once they raise their pay and work rules. Remember that it's supposedly illegal for the airlines to all negotiate contracts together. At least that's what my reps say.

 

How are you doing this with the 717? As I understand it you don't have any of these either so everything is new.

So why continue to let them do this by adding more 76 seaters?

 

CW,

I think you know better. The Scope fiasco goes back to pre-1990 and DAL Pilots never really sold scope. In hindsight plenty of bad decisions have been made - throughout the industry by all legacy Pilot groups. Scope has evolved with technology over time to get us to where we are.

Speaking of where we are - our current Scope sucks - but this has been the result of numerous causes, not the least of which was Bankruptcy. The current TA actually improves our terrible Scope to maybe, just crappy Scope.

If its any consolation it looks like the Scope line will hold at 76 seats at Delta.

Scoop

 

Wrong. If the current proposal is voted in, history will judge harshly the further mistake of allowing more large RJ's to be outsourced. Let's not justify more "bad decisions". Just say no.

 

Delta already owns all that stuff. They keep it hidden under another certificate in Cincinnati.

 

Can you expand on the first part? How did you not sell it or give it up?

The line may have been held at 76 seats but the amount of 70-76 seat planes continues to grow.