tsquare

You can post all you want "dude" It still doesn't mean you know Jack Bauer about our situation, and that your opinion of our contract means Jack Bauer. You have absolutely ZERO clue about the block hour ratios and how they recapture DCI flying, because it is outside of the traditional model of thought processes. Fold your arms.. just say no, and management will come a running back... yeah.... works every... single... time.

tsquare

If you want to wait for the 50s to go away.. fine vote no. I am tired of trying to explain the BLH concept to people that just cannot see past hull numbers that are rendered minutae in this deal. Just vote no if it makes you happy, and hopefully when this passes you will kick yourself when you see the genius that is inside.

And I am after The Manager because he called me out and said my big ego wouldn't let me leave. I hope he is out buying the goods. I will get them all that much quicker. Until he shows up though and either chickens out or ponies up, I will keep coming back.. just to call him out. I offered him an out... twice, and he said no (ring familiar??) And it will actually be closer to $1500 when the wine is added in.. Math is an amazing thing once you try to use it a little.

Carl Spackler

What would you say if it did Denny? Since the ratios don't even have to be measured until July of 2014, and the company doesn't even have to implement a plan to fix the ratios until January 2015, what if DALPA just negotiated them away in 2015 for some quid? Would you have had enough then, or would you be wanting to see what the quid was?

Carl

Carl Spackler

I don't want tsquare or anyone else to leave Bacon. Right after the TA was released, tsquare had some really good analysis. Then he went straight back to the hard and total support of anything DALPA.

He's still capable of a good nugget now and then. You just have to put up with those mood swings that remind you of some chick with bad PMS.

Carl

tsquare

Oh Manager..... Manager.... where are you Manager? Every day that goes by makes it that much easier...

Denny Crane

Well, if they did, I would be EXTREMELY ****ed off!! That being said, the ratio is the major linchpin of the TA scope clause and would render it toothless if given away. I really think the odds of this are slim and none.

Here is my take on measuring the ratio in 2014. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the delivery schedule for the 717's was something like 10 in 2013, 39 in 2014, and 39 in 2015. I don't remember where I saw it and it could be wrong but I think it's close. Given that this is the schedule, if you look at the TA table for the swap out, there is not going to be a significant change from the current ratio until the middle of 2014 when we will have about half of the 717's delievered. It looks to me like that is when the ratio becomes significant compared to today and needs to be measured.

As I said in the first paragraph, the ratio is the linchpin of this TA scope clause. It would be toothless without it. In answer to your question,
Yes, I would have enough and I would be first in line signing up for a representational change. There is no quid big enough. Giving up the ratio would change the whole balance of the scope clause and the contract.

Denny

tsquare

First of all, the entire fleet of airplanes, both the Barbies and the 717s won't be here until late in this contract's duration to begin with. The thing will be almost half over before the 717s start to arrive anyway, the RJs cannot come in until the 717s are in operation... meaning crews trained, spares etc etc etc... So your paranoia about the measurement of the ratios is just that. It doesn't really matter that they won't be measured until then because neither fleet will be anywhere near completion by then anyway.

And... again with the what ifs regarding what DALPA will or will not bargain away. That is paranoid propaganda, and has nothing to do with the TA we have before us. The thing we should be bargaining for in 2015 will be an increased BLH ratio more on the order of 2.0, or even higher. A reduction of the 1.56 would be something that would be worth a no vote.. but that bridge is a ways off. And THAT will be the next hurdle.

Hulls are meaningless.. ratios are everything now... Higher ratio, more mainline flying. Here is even another way to look at it. If DCI has 1000 jets, that means that mainline pilots have to fly much much more in order for management to utilize those jets to their maximum potential. Airplanes sitting idle is a waste of money, and Mr Anderson is not one to waste money from what I have been observing. No one should care how many RJs they have... (As long as they are no bigger than 76 seats, and I can't imagine that ever passing MEMRAT anyway, so I'll wager that management knows this too and won't bring it up)

Carl Spackler

Awesome Denny! We may vote on this differently, but you've nailed what is really important.

Carl

Denny Crane

Thanks Carl. I appreciate your restraint with me! I think my take on this TA mirrors Ferd's. When I first saw it I was sorely disappointed. I'm sure, like most everyone else, the first section I looked at was 4,8.5,3,3 and was shocked. But the more I consider the whole package, the fact that it is done now, and the duration of the agreement, I am leaning towards yes.

Denny