Latest NNP addressing FAQ questions/concerns
06-12-2012 | 07:18 PM
#31
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It's a 19.7% raise over 2 1/2 years for God's sake. That's pretty darn good. If that was a 4 year contract, that wouldn't be that good. 2 1/2 years from July 1st we could be 19.7% higher in pay. Say it over and over. Then say "I want to negotiate for another 2 1/2 years instead, and then ask for a 31% raise the first year, and gollie they better give it to me! I DEMAND IT!"
06-12-2012 | 07:20 PM
#32
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You'll never see the survey because even after its all said and done, the great and powerful OZ must stay behind the curtain.
We don't want to show our hand afterall...Despite the fact that this TA comes no where near "our hand."
We heard you loud and clear
We will not rush this TA...
I find it hard to believe that pilots believe ALPA represents their interests.
We don't want to show our hand afterall...Despite the fact that this TA comes no where near "our hand."
We heard you loud and clear
We will not rush this TA...
I find it hard to believe that pilots believe ALPA represents their interests.
06-12-2012 | 07:26 PM
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The point is that he is saying we never asked for these things in the first place. The only way we know what we asked for in the survey is to take their word for it.
06-12-2012 | 07:32 PM
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Oh, and here is my lunch money! I don't know what 12 79 means down by Lou's junk means but it scares me
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06-12-2012 | 08:33 PM
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If everyone on the survey said they wanted a 30% pay raise the first year, do you think we could have gotten that, in the current climate with our peers and the economy? (Europe tanking too) If we did get it, would we get any other gains along with it? Just asking....
you can ask anything you like, just ask ALPA, not me. They will tell you what you want to hear.
You choose to love this TA so you can get a capt seat...good for you.
06-12-2012 | 09:16 PM
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06-12-2012 | 09:37 PM
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That could be one benefit, but I also like 200 fewer 50 seaters sooner, and about 20% more pay within 2 1/2 years. Throw in 88 717s to recapture regional flights we lost after parking 732s and 727s, and I do think it's a pretty good deal.
06-12-2012 | 10:07 PM
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From: A big one that looks like a little one
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Each time that Delta gets a new more efficient aircraft the MEC has tried to capture some of that efficiency for the pilots in terms of higher pay rates. That is what we did with the 737-800, the 767-400, and the 777. Those aircraft all paid well above what their predecessors paid.
During the JCBA, the A-320 fit in between the MD-88 and the 737 in terms of size, efficiency, and capabilities. Certainly the A-320 is a more efficient aircraft than the MD-88 with longer range. The difference is now 1.8% when the MD-88 was put with MD-90 rates, hardly a ghastly difference.
The MEC, through the pilot survey, dictated what the negotiating priorities were. Putting the MD-88 up to the A-320 was not on the pilots' list of priorities. Putting the MD-88 up to the MD-90 was. I am not sure how much simpler that gets.
What people don't realize is that in the survey we were asked what we thought about a NB/WB/SPWB pay scale like CAL has. If 12-15 people from APC insisted on it, but no one else did, then it wasn't made a negotiating priority. So here we are. Yet another thing for people to be disingenuous about.
Now - since I'm on the -88 myself, I'd prefer that we just get a flat rate that's paid by the switch. But unfortunately I too see the big picture and understand that my 1.8% sacrifice helps offset the thousands of dollars of fuel the JT8D blows out the tail pipe.
Just facts based in reality worded in a different manner so that hopefully someone else will get it.
