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Old 06-11-2012 | 10:10 PM
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I think it answered a lot of questions people might be wondering about. But, some people will never be satisfied, even with answers right in front if them.
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
That was nauseating to read. It was so tilted I kept getting "bank angle" going off in my brain. Seriously though, its just more of the same sell job.

They are completely ignoring all the downside (and there is a lot of it) and carefully twisting/spinning to make it seem like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's dishonest and yet another example of why DALPA cannot be trusted as our bargaining agent. End of story.
Honestly. What do you expect them to be saying right now? We invested hundreds of thousands of your dues dollars to negotiate a hack job product and we don't care what you think about it because 40% of Delta pilots are oblivious and just over 10.1% have a brain and realize this is an awesome deal so it'll pass no matter how angry you get?

They're playing you for a fool and making you look even more foolish. Take some real fish oil. It'll lower your blood pressure.
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"a receipt for the purchase of pharmaceuticals...".
Anyone know if Ex-Lax is reimbursable?
Old 06-12-2012 | 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
I think it answered a lot of questions people might be wondering about. But, some people will never be satisfied, even with answers right in front if them.
Right in front of them? That's akin to you believing the world is flat as that's all you can see right in front of you.
Don't really blame you.
Old 06-12-2012 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
They should just hire Bill. Or Bill might even be willing to pay them to do it.

The talking points are simple, it's huge pay increase, we get 717s, Delta Connection becomes more profitable, and we hire to replace the 300 or more pilots cut out due to work rule changes in addition to those who take the retirement package. And 717s...

You keep picking the Elton John one on purpose, don't you? It creeps me out.
Old 06-12-2012 | 07:24 AM
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Right in front of them? That's akin to you believing the world is flat as that's all you can see right in front of you.
Don't really blame you.
Getting testy.....you never trusted anyone, ever? If those ALPA negotiators (even the professional guys that do it for a living) were right in front of you, you wouldn't ask them anything. Instead, you would stay mad.
Old 06-12-2012 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Agreed. I thought the exact same thing. Nice skirting DALPA
Local councils pass a resolution. MEC takes those resolutions and pass their own resolution. Resolution followed to the letter. There was no direction to raise MD-88 to A-320 either from the pilots or the MEC. How did that skirt the question?

I am not sure how you will ever be pleased. You complain about being a bottom up organization and when the MEC accomplishes exactly what the pilots directed on this issue, we are skirting the question?

What answer do you want?
Old 06-12-2012 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Local councils pass a resolution. MEC takes those resolutions and pass their own resolution. Resolution followed to the letter. There was no direction to raise MD-88 to A-320 either from the pilots or the MEC. How did that skirt the question?

I am not sure how you will ever be pleased. You complain about being a bottom up organization and when the MEC accomplishes exactly what the pilots directed on this issue, we are skirting the question?

What answer do you want?
Go reread the question ALPAromeo and if you don't see how they skirted the question then you need to put down the kool-aid and switch to a big glass of stfku.
Old 06-12-2012 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Local councils pass a resolution. MEC takes those resolutions and pass their own resolution. Resolution followed to the letter. There was no direction to raise MD-88 to A-320 either from the pilots or the MEC. How did that skirt the question?

I am not sure how you will ever be pleased. You complain about being a bottom up organization and when the MEC accomplishes exactly what the pilots directed on this issue, we are skirting the question?

What answer do you want?
There was some ALPA document I saw recently. Either the roadshow handouts or the TA video presentation where they explain why the 320 pays more than the M88 (it was based off aircraft speed and efficiency or something like that).

They want to be told that their 124 seat aircraft pays what Southwest's 137 seat aircraft pays.
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Go reread the question ALPAromeo and if you don't see how they skirted the question then you need to put down the kool-aid and switch to a big glass of stfku.
Nanny nanny foo, your head looks a poo poo. Now that we are done with the fourth grades taunts let's get back to the question.

Why didn't the TA put the MD-88 rates to A-320 rates?

Because the pilots said they wanted to match MD-88 to MD-90 and that is what the MEC did. That is pretty much straightforward. I can't believe you don't understand it.

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