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forgot to bid 06-16-2012 09:27 AM

80, which nnp is it?

80ktsClamp 06-16-2012 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1213349)
80, which nnp is it?

Scope.


Page 2, paragraph 1, line 1:


"The tentative agreement allows Delta earlier access to an additional 70 76-seat aircraft,
but only if they first add to the mainline fleet 88 SNB aircraft (recently identified by the
Company as B-717s)."


That sure doesn't look truthful...

johnso29 06-16-2012 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1213338)
Thanks for the data, george. Either Bill and I were reading that line from the NNP wrong, or they were speaking out of turn in their wording.

The NNP states that 88 717's must come on property before any 76 seaters are allowed... and that is definitely incorrect.

80kts,

This is directly from the NNP......

The tentative agreement allows Delta earlier access to an additional 70 76-seat aircraft, but only if they first add to the mainline fleet 88 SNB aircraft (recently identified by the Company as B-717s).*

I don't see where it says ALL 88 SNB aircraft must be delivered before ANY 76 seaters are allowed. It says the company must first add 88 SNB aircraft before they may have access to ALL 70 76 seat aircraft. That is a true statement. In order for the company to have ALL 70 76 seaters, they must first take delivery of ALL 88 SNB aircraft.

I'm sorry for the all caps words. I just feel they're key. Are you seeing different?

alfaromeo 06-16-2012 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1213352)
Scope.


Page 2, paragraph 1, line 1:


"The tentative agreement allows Delta earlier access to an additional 70 76-seat aircraft,
but only if they first add to the mainline fleet 88 SNB aircraft (recently identified by the
Company as B-717s)."


That sure doesn't look truthful...

We did have these on the website, in the road shows, in the notepads, and in the handouts that are in every pilot's mailboxes. The graph was also in a document that was mailed to everyone's house. I don't think this is much of a secret or that anyone is trying to keep it a secret. They both clearly show that the 717's are phased in along with increased 76 seaters and reductions of 50 seaters.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/39382899/Gr...Reductions.JPG

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/39382899/Te...Reductions.JPG

80ktsClamp 06-16-2012 10:22 AM

I agree- and I'm not the one that was duped by it, Lumberg was.




Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1213091)
They have to get 88 717s or they won't get any of the 70 76 seaters. It states that in the TA. Most of the 30 MD90s are already here in the States. Since you fly your 744s to Manilla and don't go to Greensboro or Indianapolis much, you wouldn't know about that. A bunch of them are sitting, waiting to get mods right now.


That's what started all this- trying to figure out a. where he got that statement and b. what the truth is.

shiznit 06-16-2012 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1213271)
So if they took delivery of all 88 B717's and 69 more 76 seat RJ's, how many 50 seaters are we left at?

1.D.9.b

Once they hit 214 76 seat airframes the 1:1.56 MBH radio engages, so 222 76's will still trigger the 1:1.56.

Wrt removal provisions:

1.B.46.f.7

4.6 50 seat aircraft for each 76 seat aircraft added.

So in your "69 aircraft purchase scenario" the rounded number would be 5, therefore the 50 seat cap would be 130.

johnso29 06-16-2012 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1213506)
1.D.9.b

Once they hit 214 76 seat airframes the 1:1.56 MBH radio engages, so 222 76's will still trigger the 1:1.56.

Wrt removal provisions:

1.B.46.f.7

4.6 50 seat aircraft for each 76 seat aircraft added.

So in your "69 aircraft purchase scenario" the rounded number would be 5, therefore the 50 seat cap would be 130.

Gotcha. Thanks.

finis72 06-17-2012 05:39 AM

Just voted yes, end of discussion.

Free Bird 06-17-2012 06:34 AM

The small and large end Scope is just not enough. I voted "No".

More Bacon 06-17-2012 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1213838)
Just voted yes, end of discussion.

Fortunately, should you have a change of heart, you are allowed to change your vote until the window closes.


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