AMR TA allows more large RJ's than Delta
06-28-2012 | 09:50 AM
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There are small cities out there that cannot support mainline. Those cities are not the ones that the 76 seaters are flying to. The 76 seat aircraft are out doing mainline routes. LGA-ORD, DTW-DFW, etc. The ALPA scope notepad left out a lot of important info. For example, under United, it said United allows unlimited 70 seat aircraft. This is simply not true. ALPA put subject to block hour limitations in parenthesis. United is maxed out on its block limitations. I think they only have 120 70 seaters right now and cannot get any more without scope relief. They allow 0 76 seaters. We are going to allow 223 76 seaters and 102 70 seaters. How can this be sold as a win by ALPA on the scope front? I personally do not understand how anyone could vote for this. We will have the worst scope in the industry.
06-28-2012 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
US colored 175s have 79 seats and the 170s have 70.
The CRJ900s were grandfathered from AW's scope which have 86 seats.
Let's get back to the unionoids telling us how much better our TA is than a bankruptcy agreement.
06-28-2012 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
US colored 175s have 79 seats and the 170s have 70.
The CRJ900s were grandfathered from AW's scope which have 86 seats.
Let's get back to the unionoids telling us how much better our TA is than a bankruptcy agreement.
We on the other hand are shrinking our outsourced fleet by 150 airplanes.
Umm...how is this comparable again? And what leverage did they have for the alternative? Yes we really failed. Miserably. Send it back so we can continue to be awesome like AMR.
06-28-2012 | 11:37 AM
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Admit our TA is better than what they (AA) may have and then move on. UA/CAL is next or they won't get a raise unfortunately. That's how it works when you get feed from small cities. There are plenty of routes out there that can't sustain a mainline plane. On those routes, RJs are probably the right sized plane, and if the routes do well, a mainline plane may be put on it. SWA doesn't go to every small community out there, and actually recently announced closure of 17 Airtran routes. SWA doesn't use smaller community feed like DL does. Bad comparison. Btw, AA got this TA with the APA, not ALPA.
Admit our TA is better than what they (AA) may have and then move on. UA/CAL is next or they won't get a raise unfortunately. That's how it works when you get feed from small cities. There are plenty of routes out there that can't sustain a mainline plane. On those routes, RJs are probably the right sized plane, and if the routes do well, a mainline plane may be put on it. SWA doesn't go to every small community out there, and actually recently announced closure of 17 Airtran routes. SWA doesn't use smaller community feed like DL does. Bad comparison. Btw, AA got this TA with the APA, not ALPA.
06-28-2012 | 11:38 AM
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No one expected a home run, but a bunt that got to first and then stole second is not what should be expected either.
06-28-2012 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
No one expected a home run, but a bunt that got to first and then stole second is not what should be expected either.
06-28-2012 | 11:51 AM
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Courtesy of Slowplay
At a current narrowbody fleet count of 497 AMR can operate the following RJ fleet in 2016:
35% up to 65 seaters (CRJ-700 in 2 class) = 174
40% up to 79 seaters (CRJ-900,EMB175,MRJ90) = 199
That's a total of 373 large RJ's allowed. They also get 10% 50 seat turboprops for total outsourcing at current fleet size of 423 aircraft.
Now what if the grow? If they grow the same size as Delta (723) they would be allowed 253 65 seaters and 289 79 seaters plus an additional 72 turboprops.
So which is better?
Up to 289 79 seaters or 223 76 seaters?
Up to 253 CRJ-700 or 102 CRJ-700/EMB-170?
Oh, did you happen to notice their Alaska code sharing is unrestricted now...
At a current narrowbody fleet count of 497 AMR can operate the following RJ fleet in 2016:
35% up to 65 seaters (CRJ-700 in 2 class) = 174
40% up to 79 seaters (CRJ-900,EMB175,MRJ90) = 199
That's a total of 373 large RJ's allowed. They also get 10% 50 seat turboprops for total outsourcing at current fleet size of 423 aircraft.
Now what if the grow? If they grow the same size as Delta (723) they would be allowed 253 65 seaters and 289 79 seaters plus an additional 72 turboprops.
So which is better?
Up to 289 79 seaters or 223 76 seaters?
Up to 253 CRJ-700 or 102 CRJ-700/EMB-170?
Oh, did you happen to notice their Alaska code sharing is unrestricted now...
Easy for them to allow the ALK code to be "unrestricted" when your CS with them has significant limits on how ALK and AMR can expand their code, and a decent cure period if they opt not to.
06-28-2012 | 01:40 PM
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How many 50 seat jets is American allowed?
Where did you get your numbers?
Where did you get your numbers?
06-28-2012 | 06:04 PM
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