SKW getting 100 MRJs?
07-12-2012 | 05:19 AM
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But if your argument is that AA and U/CAL don't have the same business model as Delta, then you are just rambling and are not serious.
07-12-2012 | 05:42 AM
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Plus i bet they will not be flying for DL.. We do fly for US/AK and US you know.....
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07-12-2012 | 06:18 AM
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Seriously, this is your argument. ALPA did multiple comparisons with SWA. SWA does have a different business model but it is morphing closer to Delta. Maybe he was talking about the productivity comparison which is not good for us.
But if your argument is that AA and U/CAL don't have the same business model as Delta, then you are just rambling and are not serious.
But if your argument is that AA and U/CAL don't have the same business model as Delta, then you are just rambling and are not serious.
07-12-2012 | 06:37 AM
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Remember this simple rule when posting:
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07-12-2012 | 06:50 AM
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When did Delta start getting 76 seat jets? When were you hired? How many pilots has Delta hired/recalled/come back from Mil Leave since 2007? What about all the other major airlines? Combined?
If American has this great scope clause that protects jobs, whey do they have 1,900 pilots on furlough? Why have they been furloughed for 10+ years now? In the last 10 years, how many 76 jets have been placed at American? Continental?
It seems to me that you deal in a never ending fear campaign about what is going to happen next, without ever looking at what is happening right now. We just signed this deal for more 76 seat jets. Do you want to take a wager on who hires pilots next Delta or United or American? How about how many are hired?
It just seems to me that you have learned all the wrong lessons, you are hyper focused on one detail and ignore everything else around you. You pride yourself as being some grand thinker who connects the dots, but in the end you view the world through a soda straw and have let this one issue dominate your entire thinking.
You talk about not defending the language or having the language fail. Give examples and then show how that impacted Delta pilot jobs. It seems that all the ex-RJ drivers have an obsession about what they left behind and what is happening to those pilots who are still flying RJ's. This obsession has clouded your thinking until you can no longer make a rational analysis of what is happening. In your world, you count up 76 seat jets and whoever has the lowest number wins. In my view, it is what creates more jobs and what creates better jobs for mainline.
Airlines like American that have followed your strategy are not succeeding and their pilots are not benefiting from that strategy. Do you have any explanation for that? We lead the industry in rebuilding the profession and adding jobs in the last 5 years, and yet you say our strategy is failing? Why?
If American has this great scope clause that protects jobs, whey do they have 1,900 pilots on furlough? Why have they been furloughed for 10+ years now? In the last 10 years, how many 76 jets have been placed at American? Continental?
It seems to me that you deal in a never ending fear campaign about what is going to happen next, without ever looking at what is happening right now. We just signed this deal for more 76 seat jets. Do you want to take a wager on who hires pilots next Delta or United or American? How about how many are hired?
It just seems to me that you have learned all the wrong lessons, you are hyper focused on one detail and ignore everything else around you. You pride yourself as being some grand thinker who connects the dots, but in the end you view the world through a soda straw and have let this one issue dominate your entire thinking.
You talk about not defending the language or having the language fail. Give examples and then show how that impacted Delta pilot jobs. It seems that all the ex-RJ drivers have an obsession about what they left behind and what is happening to those pilots who are still flying RJ's. This obsession has clouded your thinking until you can no longer make a rational analysis of what is happening. In your world, you count up 76 seat jets and whoever has the lowest number wins. In my view, it is what creates more jobs and what creates better jobs for mainline.
Airlines like American that have followed your strategy are not succeeding and their pilots are not benefiting from that strategy. Do you have any explanation for that? We lead the industry in rebuilding the profession and adding jobs in the last 5 years, and yet you say our strategy is failing? Why?
IF YOU DON'T ALLOW MORE JUMBO RJ'S YOUR JOB IS IN JEOPARDY AND THE AIRLINE GOES THE WAY OF AMERICAN AND CONTINENTAL... wait continental?
Anyways, follow the logic. Just imagine how many more jobs we'd have if we let those 76 seaters become 82 seaters? Or let DCI have larger jets like the E190!!!!
I mean does anyone doubt that a regional could fly 717s cheaper than us since pilot costs are the only costs that matters when comparing us with DCI?
Which is ironic since you get chastised for thinking that 100 seaters are next...
Wait, you guys all said that the 100 seat jet was going to get sold out on this negotiation. So after you were completely wrong, now you have an absolute prediction for the next negotiation. I mean you said at least 1,000 times about how the 100 seaters were in play in this negotiation and now that they are definitively at mainline, now well, it is just around the corner that they are in play again. You say ALPA plays the fear game?
I'd think I'd seen that if it was posted 1,000 times.
Now, the winner would be the person who said we'd outsource 70 more 76-seaters but that's not what's important.
What is important now is we get some more large RJ outsourcing going so that we don't end up in chapter 11 and furlough!
Outsourcing equals more jobs so let's celebrate that we held the lie at 76 seats! no wait, that makes no sense. start again. RJs are good for Delta pilots!!!!
07-12-2012 | 07:02 AM
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We should've really let DCI have the 717s. That was a screw up on our part. I had it all backwards that outsourcing is the only way to go. Especially if you want fast contracts done early versus having long drawn out battles because the company wants large rj outsourcing but you don't understand how much better that is.
07-12-2012 | 07:14 AM
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We should've really let DCI have the 717s. That was a screw up on our part. I had it all backwards that outsourcing is the only way to go. Especially if you want fast contracts done early versus having long drawn out battles because the company wants large rj outsourcing but you don't understand how much better that is.
07-12-2012 | 07:23 AM
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07-12-2012 | 07:36 AM
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I disagree with that. If they couldn't get rid of the 50 seaters, the 717s made no sense. They might have taken some, but might not have taken all. We will never know, and it is pointless to speculate.
You and ftb preferred to let the 50s die of natural causes. Fine with me.. That would have only delayed YOUR upgrade further. I guess I should have voted no and said to hell with the scope.. just give me more money. Would THAT have been better? Really?
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