Hawaiian A330's at Delta?
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Would pull feed to AS island routes. That would put the profitability of those routes to AS under downward pressure. I wish no ill will on AS but it would be nice to expand west coast flying and get back some DAL QOL for a change! Just need to be sure we are protected from a seniority windfall from recent new hires at HAL, other wise Aloha and Mahalo!
A far bigger concern would be the JB code share. That needs to end, hard, no matter what. I really doubt JB was in any position to demand iron clad cancellation language and stiff penalties. I'm sure HAL secured very easy cancellation language for any reason, especially something like a merger. If in some unlikely twist, the JB/HI code share is preserved, we just end all HI flights to NYC. There is no way we can fund a ULCC's fantasy order book beyond what we are already doing with our capacity gifting and a JB code share is a strike item.
Merge soon, exclude the new hires from the relative, end the JB code share and give full relative for non new hire HI pilots with minor base freezes (no fences) for all existing pilots and use the combined entity to fight back against JAL and reduce some of the AS code share abuse.
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#34
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Any DL pilot who thinks ANY HAL pilot would agree to any staple or anything other than equitable SLI is sadly mistaken. HAL has an excellent ALPA contingent that is sharp, experienced, and capable. No fences? Come on.....get real.....
Beyond that, it's all about shareholder value; let the bidding begin!
Beyond that, it's all about shareholder value; let the bidding begin!
#35
Any DL pilot who thinks ANY HAL pilot would agree to any staple or anything other than equitable SLI is sadly mistaken. HAL has an excellent ALPA contingent that is sharp, experienced, and capable. No fences? Come on.....get real.....
Beyond that, it's all about shareholder value; let the bidding begin!
Beyond that, it's all about shareholder value; let the bidding begin!
There is no way a HAL pilot hired in the last 8 years should be ahead of any Delta pilot hired before 2008. NO WAY!
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#36
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With Pan Am, their biggest plane brought over was the A300, while DAL was flying a zillion L10-11's at the merger. So Pan Am was light at the top, heavy at the 727 level.
How many A330's does Hawaiian have? How many 717's and what else? Figure out the ratios and you can guestimate where you will fall in on a merged list.
There will be no date of hire SLI, so don't worry about that.
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#38
Look and see what a 2000 or 2003 hire holds at HAL.
#40
Meh. The market cap is only half again as big as the refinery deal. Yeah it is big in one respect that it gives us more HND access, but it ain't gonna send the stock thru the roof. Now a JetBlue or Alaska merger might move the needle. Those will require some more dealing that will definitely be the talk of Wall Street.
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