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Old 08-21-2012 | 06:06 AM
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FWIW.....The following was lifted right off the Ameriflight APC Profile:

JUMPSEAT:
Ameriflight currently has a reciprocal agreement only with Southwest. CASS participant.
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Old 08-21-2012 | 09:21 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't need a reciprocal jumpseat agreement to allow someone on your flight deck.... that recip agreement is a UNION thing. And ***** the union. Check your own FOM/GOM, but if it allows a pilot in the flight deck jumpseat with CASS approval and PIC approval, then welcome aboard!
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Old 08-21-2012 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Yazzoo
Correct, we recip with Southwest only, but I've talked to pilots who've jumped on Delta, Airways, American and Jetblue...so it's possible, does it just depend on the captain's mood and if there's anyone else waiting to take the seat that you have an agreement with?
Buzz Killington notwithstanding, please don't do that. This isn't the 1990's anymore. Jumpseating, even if "just in the cabin" is a big deal and not something you should do for sport just seeing if you can get on. If you don't have an agreement, don't put it on gate agents or pilots to look the other way. Not cool. What you're essentially doing is seeing if you can sneak on in the hopes that someone doesn't know their job and someone else either doesn't know theirs or looks the other way to be cool. Either way you shouldn't be there.

And never, EVER, try and jumpseat offline (even with a recip agreement) when you should be positive space on a company purchased ticket but you'r trying to save your company money. Pilots that do that should be banned for life.
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Old 08-21-2012 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't need a reciprocal jumpseat agreement to allow someone on your flight deck.... that recip agreement is a UNION thing. And ***** the union. Check your own FOM/GOM, but if it allows a pilot in the flight deck jumpseat with CASS approval and PIC approval, then welcome aboard!
It isn't just a union thing, its an Ops manual thing, signed off by the FAA. Taking unauthorized flight deck jumpseat riders just because you want to be cool, even if its "just some silly technicality" is a BFD. You are not only risking your ticket, but the ability of your airline to even have reciprocal jumpseat agreements. You are risking it for everyone just trying to be a laid back hero to one person that shouldn't even be there in the first place, and knows they shouldn't, but is there anyway just to see if they can put it on you to risk your job and your company's ability to have jumpseaters just so that they can get one free ride.
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Old 08-21-2012 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't need a reciprocal jumpseat agreement to allow someone on your flight deck.... that recip agreement is a UNION thing. And ***** the union. Check your own FOM/GOM, but if it allows a pilot in the flight deck jumpseat with CASS approval and PIC approval, then welcome aboard!
Somehow I'm not surprised to see this coming from Shyguy
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Old 08-21-2012 | 12:29 PM
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Yikes...didn't realize I'd stir up the hive with this one. I wasn't going to jumpseat just for "sport," I have legitimate purposes, but it seems like staying clear of the drama and sticking to WN would be the way to go. If only they flew out of my home airport
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Old 08-21-2012 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Yazzoo
Yikes...didn't realize I'd stir up the hive with this one. I wasn't going to jumpseat just for "sport," I have legitimate purposes, but it seems like staying clear of the drama and sticking to WN would be the way to go. If only they flew out of my home airport
I don't mean to come across harsh, but there is no legitimate purpose if it's illegal.

On that note, check your FOM and see what is legal. Don't bring other pilots into this mess if SHTF...
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Old 08-21-2012 | 02:27 PM
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Most at Allegiant will let you on if there's a seat in the back.

It's not illegal to take you without a reciprocal agreement.
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Old 08-21-2012 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
If you don't have an agreement, don't try it. If you get caught, it is a lot more serious than you think. Best case scenario and the most likely, the agent turns you away without pressing the issue. When the agent can't pull up your airline code, it's a red flag. The absolute worse case scenario is you get on the flight, then someone finds out you should not be on the plane. You can be arrested for trespassing and a security breach at that point.

Your above post is admitting that pilots from your company have stolen seats. If you want jumpseat privileges, work for a company that has jumpseat privileges. Just because you are a pilot does not entitle you to catch free rides on whoever you feel like.

For those of you that don't know, Ameriflight is a 135 outfit.
Except for stating that Ameriflight is a 135 outfit and as a standalone and obvious statement, yes, just because one is a pilot, doesn't
"entitle" one to a ride......everything you said is wrong. Ameriflight is in CASS and can legally jumpseat. If a carrier lets you ride (reciprocal agreement or not), you're not trespassing and there is no security breach.
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Old 08-21-2012 | 02:37 PM
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PM me Am Flights 2 letter CASS code and your employee number and I'll check for you.
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