Errbus

Yeah most military pilots have small logbooks so they're obviously inferior pilots.

Senior Skipper

I don't think anybody was saying that a 500hr military pilot is better than a 1000hr civil pilot just because he was in the military.

I'd never assume somebody's skill level just by the hours in their logbook. I know a guy with 250hr TT who could probably do a better SE ILS than half of the (very experienced) CA's I've flown with.

To be quite honest, of the military guys I've flown with, they don't seem to be any better or worse than the civil pilots. I'm sure if we put them in an F16, they'd have the upper hand, but for transport aircraft in 121 operations, I haven't seen where one route produces better pilots.

HercDriver130

1) i thought it obvious that lowlut was mocking the other poster
2) My take on the Civ/mil thing...... Mil pilots in general have had higher hiring rates at airlines because they ( the airline ) believe (and rightly so) that they are getting about 98.5% of the time and known quantity when it comes to background and training. Not that these guys are any better ...or worse...

To the poster above complaining about mil hiring... back in "the day" at places like DAL and AA....Civ guys were outnumbered 8 or 9 to 1...... times have changed.... do mil guys probably get a nod more often when everything else is essentially equal...probably..... life isnt always fair. FWIW....the BEST pilot I have ever flown with..... a guy half my age..... who could fly circles around anyone I have ever known. 2nd best.... Female military IP.

atooraya

How did this turn into a military pilot thread?

It's like once someone said "military pilot", then it got steam, it never stopped

USMCFLYR

If you were looking for a medical job, maybe it would.
Those pilots you are comparing the doctor to have been "paying their dues" in a comparable environment to the one in which they are now seeking employment.
I'd think ERs would be pretty impressed with someone that had been working actively in battlefield trauma for the last 10 years.

The military provides some of the best/most standardized flight training in the world. Why would an airline not want to take advantage of such a pool of applicants?

As you state - there is more to the person than the flying skills too and the military sharpens those skills too.

In the end - it still doesn't seem like some grand conspiracy designed to keep guys that aren't military out of the cockpit rather than an available, trained, and ready group of professionals who want to continue putting their skills to use.

As for the TPIC requirement, though not a written policy for many airlines it seems, what are the realistic chances of being hired without the magical 1000 TPIC at any of the legacies for example (discounting the outriggers like the CP's son that I hear stories of so often)?

USMCFLYR

Btw - the poster who said that if they put that F-16 guy in his own cockpit he would do well is correct. I'm only flying in a P135/91 type of operation but I don't see how my experience made me any sort of super pilot and I'm sure that P121 would be much the same. I would imagine that flying in a different community might have helped much more when transitioning to airline cockpit. Though years of single pilot ops, instructing, and hand flying the airplane at the edges of the operating envelope have given me certain skills that are valuable in my present job and would be valuable to an airline too I think.

Bleedovertemp

I haven't posted here in a while but I am completely disgusted with what I am reading here. Military folks...thank you for your service... I believe that you deserve more than the "entitlement generation". Second of all I am disgusted to see pilots fighting pilots. Be happy for those who get hired wish them luck. Help them learn if they don't know if they don't know. Help others get hired if you are able. Take this industry back by unity. Not by fighting and bickering amonst ourselves making no difference. That what this country was and is about.

Don't be "haters"...

reCALcitrant

Just to put this to bed. I was a civilian pilot before I went in the military. I am on leave from the airline flying military jets. So....I am the best pilot you'll ever fly with. I could've ended this argument pages ago.

Now back to the PIC requirement.

Attn: "Sarcasm alert" for those of you that can't pick up on it.

ERJ135

Everyone should have an equal opportunity. Mil/civ doesn't matter. That would be the reason for no PIC requirement at most airlines. I refuse to w*****e out myself, and jeopardize my certs at gojet to get my 1000 pic time. Couldn't control that my company bankrupted itself and lost the upgrade.. 5k in the right seat is worth something.. There are plenty of plenty of quality pilots in the right seat that because of certain circumstances they could not obtain the magic 1000k pic hours..

Mesabah

I thought they dropped the PIC requirement because of the pilot shortage....

BoredwLife

I love how this whole argument was started by some UND kid who has a group friends that went to Horizon with pref interviews and lower mins, just cause they went to UND... And they deserved a shot at less hours why? Cause supposedly UND creates a higher standard of pilot...