Delta Airlines Could Be Overstaffed
10-16-2012, 09:21 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Looking at the OP's original numbers, which I'm still trying to trace back, they project 784 airplanes in 2015 and we still are properly staffed using today's pilots. So even with a growth of over 60 airplanes, we're still staffed right.
I can make an argument that as long as attrition is 0 beyond projected retirements, that you could say we could be properly staffed going from 722 mainline jets to 796. I arrive at it differently then the OP's article though.
I looked at the category list and fleet count and figured if you parked all the 9s and then got the 320 and 737 to staff like the 88 (even with the new 90s) you could find yourself 850+ pilots to redeploy elsewhere. How the draw down of ATL 767 plays into it, no clue as pilots probably MD to the ER and how they stretch that or shrink it is also dependent on international flying?
But let's say you could squeeze 850 pilots out of the 320 and 737 and you have about 300 pilots on MIL leave and some 200 furloughs. That's about 1150 to 1350 pilots already on property to staff 74 new jets which could be at worst around 720 pilots to 1040 pilots if the union was right about 14/aircraft?
Now I've personally heard of freak out sessions over at the GO about what to do about the pending pilot shortage. Sky is falling kind of stuff. And a complete rebuttal of that saying there is no way we need to hire. So, we'll see what happens.
I can make an argument that as long as attrition is 0 beyond projected retirements, that you could say we could be properly staffed going from 722 mainline jets to 796. I arrive at it differently then the OP's article though.
I looked at the category list and fleet count and figured if you parked all the 9s and then got the 320 and 737 to staff like the 88 (even with the new 90s) you could find yourself 850+ pilots to redeploy elsewhere. How the draw down of ATL 767 plays into it, no clue as pilots probably MD to the ER and how they stretch that or shrink it is also dependent on international flying?
But let's say you could squeeze 850 pilots out of the 320 and 737 and you have about 300 pilots on MIL leave and some 200 furloughs. That's about 1150 to 1350 pilots already on property to staff 74 new jets which could be at worst around 720 pilots to 1040 pilots if the union was right about 14/aircraft?
Now I've personally heard of freak out sessions over at the GO about what to do about the pending pilot shortage. Sky is falling kind of stuff. And a complete rebuttal of that saying there is no way we need to hire. So, we'll see what happens.
10-16-2012, 09:25 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
His numbers don't include training pipeline and all the other slop involved. DL had 12454 on the list in 2008 with 767 airplanes. Given that a decent chunk of people were on furlough bypass, I'll drop that down to 12000. So with an increase of 29 airplanes on top of that, our list will need to expand. And that doesn't even include the wave of retirements....
That said, we do have more people leave on their own then the retirement schedule alludes too. That's good for us.
There is surely some slop needed but I have a feeling if they could cut down on DHDs and stuff on some of the fleets like the 737 with a DTW base and take advantage of some efficiencies elsewhere then they could get those planes down to the 88 staffing formula. Plus MIL adds a curve ball there.
My bet, better safe than sorry and they'll hire but it will probably be as people say, "HIRING IN THE FALL! of next year."
10-17-2012, 01:54 AM
#37
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There was a line check pilot meeting going on Monday and Tuesday of this week, so we should see some more rumors soon. I heard one of them last Friday who was convinced we'd be getting more 330's. Believe it when I see it.
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