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Bluedriver 11-23-2012 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr (Post 1297672)
hold up there, you are comparing jb healthcare to a t shirt that you turn into a cleaning rag? I think I have heard it all now. Have a little respect for yourself and fellow aviators.

How do you expect anyone to take you serious? That's not what he said or meant.

Kellwolf 11-23-2012 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr (Post 1297672)
hold up there, you are comparing jb healthcare to a t shirt that you turn into a cleaning rag? I think I have heard it all now. Have a little respect for yourself and fellow aviators.

If that's what you got from that, no one on this planet can help you....

Snarge 11-24-2012 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by FNG320 (Post 1295119)
True, but built on the backs of the employees by lack of fair compensation, representation, spin and lies. The problem is that way too many pilots at both ignore the facts and belived the lies and spin or are so self centered that they only care for themselves.

Just my opinion .......

FNG

My Fav is the JB pilots generate revenue that management uses for A4A membership then can lobby against JB pilots in Congress... that is classic!!

You've got to have political presence in DC, otherwise you are just a wage slave flying jets......

As crappy as the JCBA TA is.... it was done with a White House picket and working with the nmb.... unless you Blue pilots can do that, you are not going to get far.....


Looks like the Honeymoon is over.... did the JB pilots think they were really that special and American business and Wall St. (read Capital) was suddenly benevolent to labor. bwahaha.

Does anyone know the real numbers... the difference between what you are worth and how much you actually get paid. The number would shock you......

Bluedriver 11-24-2012 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Snarge (Post 1298104)
My Fav is the JB pilots generate revenue that management uses for A4A membership then can lobby against JB pilots in Congress... that is classic!!

You've got to have political presence in DC, otherwise you are just a wage slave flying jets......

As crappy as the JCBA TA is.... it was done with a White House picket and working with the nmb.... unless you Blue pilots can do that, you are not going to get far.....


Looks like the Honeymoon is over.... did the JB pilots think they were really that special and American business and Wall St. (read Capital) was suddenly benevolent to labor. bwahaha.

Does anyone know the real numbers... the difference between what you are worth and how much you actually get paid. The number would shock you......

How do YOU know the REAL numbers?

usmc-sgt 11-24-2012 06:57 AM


Does anyone know the real numbers... the difference between what you are worth and how much you actually get paid. The number would shock you......
Is it 8? 3.1415927?

Is there really a number? Can you at least tell me if I am getting close.

Snarge 11-24-2012 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 1298118)
How do YOU know the REAL numbers?

I don't...but that is why the APA hires ALPA's E&FA.... yet the basic tenant of capitalism is to convince or passively force wage slaves to work for less than they are worth. JB management does this with kool aid and hired consultants to smooth talk the pilots. I mean at one point JB pilots were cleaning the cabin for free!!! (still are??)

So the difference in what you are worth is used for profits, investors and golden parachutes for the exec team.... if you have a CBA then you are getting paid closer to what you are worth and the investors and Exec team get less.... it is really that simple and nothing new......

Direct relationship... anyone that believes that deserves what they get.. and JB pilots have been getting less and less over the years.

There is no career pilot airline that doesn't have work place democracy... JB pilots are fools for thinking one exist....

Until JB pilots can be at the table and contribute to the terms in which they fly jets they aren't professionals. I know that doesn't go over well, but consider what makes a professional. Worrying about your compensation and healthcare while on the job isn't very professional. The PVC doesn't count.

Master loves you..... now get back to work......

(sorry for the hard post, but damn.... wish you guys luck... you need it!!)

Herkulesdrvr 11-24-2012 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Kellwolf (Post 1297726)
If that's what you got from that, no one on this planet can help you....

I hear ya. Nobody can help someone that will continue to accept substandard wages and benefits year after year just to say you have a job right?

Climbto450 11-24-2012 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by Snarge (Post 1298104)
My Fav is the JB pilots generate revenue that management uses for A4A membership then can lobby against JB pilots in Congress... that is classic!!

You've got to have political presence in DC, otherwise you are just a wage slave flying jets......

As crappy as the JCBA TA is.... it was done with a White House picket and working with the nmb.... unless you Blue pilots can do that, you are not going to get far.....


Looks like the Honeymoon is over.... did the JB pilots think they were really that special and American business and Wall St. (read Capital) was suddenly benevolent to labor. bwahaha.

Does anyone know the real numbers... the difference between what you are worth and how much you actually get paid. The number would shock you......

1 million dollars!!!! That's my number who's with me!!!

Moby Dick 11-26-2012 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr (Post 1298217)
I hear ya. Nobody can help someone that will continue to accept substandard wages and benefits year after year just to say you have a job right?

This is an important concept that tends to escape pilots in general. We just can't conceive of actually having to (heaven forbid!) WORK for a living.

Oh, the horror! The HORROR!

Flint Stone 11-26-2012 02:18 PM

if you have a CBA then you are getting paid closer to what you are worth and the investors and Exec team get less.... it is really that simple and nothing new......



Really, Amerijet has a CBA, and they are one of the lowest paid B767 pilot groups on the Planet!


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