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Originally Posted by benzoate
(Post 1303118)
Southerner within a week of coming to JetBlue the airline will have you so brainwashed you'll be on this board screaming how a union will ruin the culture, how the retirement really is 13%, how the benefits and disability are industry standard and, lastly, how you are protected with your PEA.
You are so absolutely clueless that's it's incredible you even comment. We do want educated pilots to join the ranks. But because of experience we all know how baby blues drink the Kool-aid which at this point hurts our efforts to gain a CBA. Add to this most regional pilots lack of understanding as to what level of support ALPA provided and our efforts are hindered further. We don't want and can't afford the "happy to be here crowd" any longer. Most of us have 8,10, 12 years in already and having the above mentioned settling for less hurts us more. |
When a pilot gets hired by DAL,FedEx,UAL,CAL,SWA etc. they are proud of their airline but also go into it knowing they are a union shop.
Jetblue hires pilots who choose Jetblue because of culture and non-union. You arrive at Jetblue predisposed to be anti-union. Because you are new and blindly trust management you read and believe all their propaganda. What does this mean for the rest of us? A solid no vote. FNG320 takes copious notes of what management has said, what the union has said and what the outcomes have been. Ask him what the vote totals were the past two times. Ask him how many new pilots voted NO in the past two elections. We have this information because pilots were polled. They openly admitted they believed the company propaganda. Where has this gotten us today? Below average in EVERY measurable category. None of us have anything against you. |
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I freely admit my only information I have is what I've read on here, and what my friends who work there tell me. I come from a union airline, and I'm open to voting for a CBA.
My only point is that calling me stupid for choosing to come there is not likely to make me want to vote your way. |
Originally Posted by Southerner
(Post 1303251)
I freely admit my only information I have is what I've read on here, and what my friends who work there tell me. I come from a union airline, and I'm open to voting for a CBA.
My only point is that calling me stupid for choosing to come there is not likely to make me want to vote your way. |
Guys, I know it probably gets old having to say the same things over and over to the new guys coming in on why a CBA is a good thing, how the PEA doesn't really protect (or if it does, it's going to cost each pilot a mint to make it do so) and how it's a shell numbers game to make the retirement "look good" on the balance sheet. However, if you can't do so anymore because you're worn down and wind up just demeaning or insulting guys, step back and let others take over. You're only going to hurt the cause. Even more so than guys coming in from a non-union stance. If someone's already pre-disposed to being non-union, calling them names, insulting their intelligence and telling them they don't know anything isn't going to suddenly win them over.
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Originally Posted by benzoate
(Post 1303244)
When a pilot gets hired by DAL,FedEx,UAL,CAL,SWA etc. they are proud of their airline but also go into it knowing they are a union shop.
Jetblue hires pilots who choose Jetblue because of culture and non-union. You arrive at Jetblue predisposed to be anti-union. Because you are new and blindly trust management you read and believe all their propaganda. What does this mean for the rest of us? A solid no vote. FNG320 takes copious notes of what management has said, what the union has said and what the outcomes have been. Ask him what the vote totals were the past two times. Ask him how many new pilots voted NO in the past two elections. We have this information because pilots were polled. They openly admitted they believed the company propaganda. Where has this gotten us today? Below average in EVERY measurable category. None of us have anything against you. Jetblue was even FURTHER behind the rest of the industry in terms of pay/benefits when people came here 8-12yrs ago. |
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 1303336)
Everyone comes to jetblue with hopes that things are as rosy as they imagine. Was it any different when you were in indoc?
Jetblue was even FURTHER behind the rest of the industry in terms of pay/benefits when people came here 8-12yrs ago. Over time as the layers of the onion peel the truth becomes apparent. Back then we weren't voting for a union and the promise of change was taken at face value. Today the promise has placed us at the bottom. What new hires do for JetBlue is dilute the pool further. Flight ops is acutely aware of what happens when "happy to be here" are hired. We, as seasoned employees, need to make sure new hires are well aware of what the JetBlue reality is. By not doing so we screw ourselves further. JetBlue pilots cannot afford further reductions in pay, benefits, disability, protections etc particularly when on our backs JetBlue is making RECORD Profits. |
Originally Posted by benzoate
(Post 1303436)
We, as seasoned employees, need to make sure new hires are well aware of what the JetBlue reality is. By not doing so we screw ourselves further. JetBlue pilots cannot afford further reductions in pay, benefits, disability, protections etc particularly when on our backs JetBlue is making RECORD Profits.
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
(Post 1295246)
Nah, we're on the same page. I just deal a little more in facts. Like I said. Wal-Mart employees (at least the full time ones) don't have better health benefits. The sad part is, OUR benefits are on par with that rather than those of a comparable mainline airline. That needs to change.
I think part of it stems from the corporate philosophy of we're all crewmembers and everyone is equal. Kinda like the prior philosophy that all customers are equal. They finally changed their tune and offer multiple tiers of value for customers. The same is going to have to happen for the pilots vs other crewmembers. Fact is, a ramper probably IS on par with another ramper at a major. Pilots? Not so much. In order to "attract and retain," that'll have to change. It's obviously not too bad as they "attracted" you as a newhire! :D |
I disagree with the assumption that something will have to change to "attract and retain".
Jetblue has proven, despite 10% attrition, the changes perceived by the pilot group were in fact cost neutral. The only way affect change is with a CBA which comes full circle to the talent being attracted. |
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