departing JFK NYC airspace canarsie climb
01-02-2013, 06:52 AM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 631
Why don't make this a competition!
First guy to actually ASK the controller what would give them a quicker turn westbound...and have proof (liveatc audio clip included) wins an APC sponsored case of their favorite barley pop!
Sorry, passing on second hand info won't count! Only the audio clip!
First guy to actually ASK the controller what would give them a quicker turn westbound...and have proof (liveatc audio clip included) wins an APC sponsored case of their favorite barley pop!
Sorry, passing on second hand info won't count! Only the audio clip!
01-02-2013, 07:52 AM
#43
Don't say Guppy
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Guppy driver
Posts: 1,926
I have only been involved in a couple of aviation forums, ever, for about 2.5 years. This thread is by far my favorite. I flew out of NY (all 3) for half my time in the US. Rudest, dumbest, and most mistake prone controllers in the US. Still OK by worldwide standards, but my previous sentence still stands.
I think my favorite clearance was to intercept the intersection of J-whatever and victor-whatever out of La Garbage at 200 feet after takeoff. My FO's response was, without my input, "we will be over Montreal by the time we figure that one out". They gave us a heading.
In NY, I try to do the "standard", and hopefully the controller doesn't threaten to send his dad to beat up my dad. And then I hope for the best.
Great thread. Keep the stories coming.
I think my favorite clearance was to intercept the intersection of J-whatever and victor-whatever out of La Garbage at 200 feet after takeoff. My FO's response was, without my input, "we will be over Montreal by the time we figure that one out". They gave us a heading.
In NY, I try to do the "standard", and hopefully the controller doesn't threaten to send his dad to beat up my dad. And then I hope for the best.
Great thread. Keep the stories coming.
01-02-2013, 03:30 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,220
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
A green dot climb out of JFK doesn't make much sense. The heavies out of there are running around at 280 knots just to suck up the slats.
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In an Asia bound heavy there is no 'pull the nose up' to make a crossing restriction. The plane is so close to min maneuver speed that pitch control is a major portion of your instrument scan.
So the green dot Airbaby will be so far above the w/b the speed difference is meaningless.
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