rightside02

When I was based there, it seemed to be the faster you go the quicker on course you get.....

orvil

Ah "Green Dot", that explains everything. Fifi is going to do what she wants to do anyway. You are just along for the ride.

If ATC ever asks you what you are doing, you can simply answer, I don't know, ask Fifi.

tsquare

I axed them this one day when on the DEEZ departure. The key is getting you both above and away from the LGA traffic. It is kind of a both are needed thing. I wrote the numbers down somewhere, and I will see if I can find them, but they will not clear you direct to a fix on your route until you are both above that LGA corridor and a certain distance from it. Unfortunately, it seems that there is no way to shortcut the system. Hopefully you are on a hard time trip

And yes, I know I used the word "axed"

hair-on-fire

Our briefing guide at B6 says that ATC wants you to accelerate to 250 and then to normal climb speed passing 10,000. There are other aircraft ahead and behind you and they don't need every Chuck Yeager trying to apply their own technique.

blakman7

Dude, NEVER take what lolwut says seriously. He's been known to troll on this site from time to time. You'll save brain cells and patience by ignoring him. I've probably added a couple of years to my life by doing just that.

lolwut

I'm hurt. I read all of your posts blakman7!!

Starscream

Very complex question. When you say CRI climb, I'm assuming you're going to SFO via DEEZZ, GAYEL, or COATE, which means you'll be vectored East of JFK, climb on a NE heading, before getting the turn westbound to your fix. If you are departing via the Breezy Point Climb, you'd have been departing via RBV, which would have you turning reference LGA's KORRY STAR, which crosses RBV at 7,000-10,000ft.

I've visited the TRACON (N90), and it seems that when departing to the Northwest (DEEZZ/GAYEL/COATE), going fast or climbing with a good rate doesn't matter much. They vector you over a specific groundtrack, keeping you east of LGA climbout airspace, even if they are not using that bit of airspace (i.e. LGA departing 31). You'll still go NE towards the LI Sound, before being turned West, and kept at 17,000 for quite a while if departing over GAYEL or COATE.

And then throw in the complexities of departing 22R, or 4L, or 13R. And LGA departing 13, 4, or 31, and it all changes, haha.

I'd say just climb at 250, accelerate normally out of 10. 'Green dot' or clean speed won't hurt as long as it's not a lot lower than 250 (i.e. 200 KIAS).

Just my $0.02

Sliceback

S.A.! Not everyone is departing over the same fix. Sometimes solving one issue (speed or altitude) makes the controllers job easier and sometimes it doesn't.

What about the tight turn out of LAX(Loop departure)? Do you accelerate to normal climb speed even if you can't make the altitude restrictions?

Does the B6 briefing guide come with a rubber cover so it doesn't leave any marks if you beat people with it?

OceanicPilot

Tracon must love the few random guys trying to outthink them and climbing at green dot while everyone else is doing a 250/normal climb profile.

cactusmike

Green dot is a little slow but we usually stay at 250 until we get turned in the right direction. Same for the Loop, accelerate to 250 kts and then hold it until you turn around. If you do it right you roll out direct to the VOR on the same heading that you will go outbound on.