bigscrillywilli

Found this on Usapa site.....thoughts?

A - You are correct. We are protected against Management converting all our B737s or Airbus's, and on the American side MD80s, to E190s until the earlier of eighteen (18) months after US Airways and the New American Airlines obtain a single operating certificate, or the date on which a JCBA and integrated seniority list are in effect. After that milestone, and as things stand now, there are no protections after that.

Stetson29

This is an update on the Regional Jet Scope protections in the proposed MOU. If the Pilots of US Airways ratify the MOU, we will have reinforced the new Regional Jet Scope standard for the big three major airlines: United, Delta, and The New American Airlines.

Background

Our Scope protections cover much more than just Change of Control and Code Sharing with other mainline carriers. In fact, one of the most important provisions concerns the outsourcing of mainline flying to regional carriers. This MOU helps reverse the trend on such outsourcing.

Over the past 20 years, most airlines have slowly shifted a greater percentage of flying to regional aircraft flown by pilots not on the mainline seniority list. As we all know too well, US Airways has been a key proponent of this shift.

The MOU – which has been signed by APA, USAPA, US Airways, and American Airlines – makes significant improvements to USAPA Scope with regards to regional outsourcing.

The MOU on Scope

As compared to the present USAPA Scope clause on regional outsourcing, here is what the proposed MOU provides:

The maximum number of seats allowed on outsourced regional aircraft drops from 88 to 76 seats (except for the grandfathered aircraft).
The allowed MTOW (maximum certified takeoff weight) drops from 90,000 to 86,000 pounds. This number, combined with the new lower seat count, will prohibit certain E-175 configurations at the regionals.
Under the MOU, the maximum number of large regional commuter aircraft (66-76 seats + certain grandfathered aircraft) as a percentage of the mainline narrow-body fleet shall not exceed 30% through 2014, 35% in 2015 and 40% thereafter. Today’s narrow-body fleet count is approximately 800, so 40% of that would be approximately 320.

Presently, US Airways is allowed to operate 315 of the large RJs with a mainline fleet count of 322 aircraft. Today US Airways can operate almost 100% of their mainline fleet, which is significantly higher than what the combined airline could operate.

As of December 31, 2012, respectively, American operated 281 regional aircraft while US Airways operated 282, for a total of 563. Under the MOU, if the mainline narrow body fleet-count were approximately 800, the New American would be able to operate 600 regional aircraft -- an increase of 37 hulls or about 6.5%.

The MOU sets a lower seat count, lower gross weight, and a much lower number of outsourced regional aircraft as a proportion of mainline aircraft at the newly combined carrier than were allowed at US Airways.

E190s
Some have raised concerns that we will become an E190 airline. Remember the E190 is a mainline aircraft – and is for growth not replacement. The MOU provides two protections:

(A) Commencing when the total number of US Airways aircraft in Equipment Group I equals 31, subsequent Group I aircraft shall be delivered on a ratio of two (2) Group I aircraft to the New American Airlines for every one (1) Group I aircraft to US Airways. This ensures a balance of Group I flying to both USAPA and APA.

(B) The total number of aircraft block hours (excluding Group I aircraft) scheduled to be flown by mainline US Airways:
East pilots during any rolling 12-month look-back period shall be no less than 664,426.
West pilots during any rolling 12-month look-back period shall be no less than 436,850.
US Airways Express currently operates the following aircraft categorized in the MOU as Group I.
38 E175’s
38 CRJ900 aircraft.
While these aircraft will be grandfathered, they will still count toward the limit on large regional aircraft (66-76 seats).
A widely published recent agreement (subject to bankruptcy court approval) provides that Republic Airlines, a unit of Republic Airways Holdings, will operate 53 Embraer E-175 airplanes using the American Eagle name. American said the American Eagle-branded jets are expected to be phased into operation at approximately 2-3 aircraft per month beginning in mid-2013 through the first quarter of 2015.
These aircraft, according to the press release, will be configured with 76 seats. The language of the 2012 CBA, plus MOU provisions, will ensure the weight and seat count of these aircraft are limited.

Stetson29

" The MOU is not a document that makes up for our past concessions, it is trading certain things for other things, putting us all same contract moving forward. Many guys are mad about that ..."

So many of the guys that I have talked to who are voting NO on the MOU are doing so because it is not giving them retribution for the last 10 or so years of their career. They are so angry that they are not being duly compensated for the poor wages and work rules they have had to endure.
The MOU is a step forward to better pay and a better life for all. It's time to lift up our heels that were dug in in the past and move on.
No COC argument or hold out for retribution money is going to materialize.
Is it fair and just? Most could argue no, but the MOU puts us on a path for moving on and improving the life of every single US Airways pilot.

lolwut

Thats so dumb. If they keep voting no on anything that doesn't repay them for what they've lost... they're going to be working for the same crap wages until they retire. Its never gonna happen.

cactusmike

That's the biggest philosophical issue the West has with the East. Why are we all suffering for the crappy career these guys have had? Why are they trying to make up for lost time, lost upgrades, and lost wages by dragging all of us down?

A guy with 19 years on the property that was a junior F/ O for all that time had no right to expect anything other than staying in that position at the time of the merger. He still hasn't upgraded in all likely hood 6 years later. Yet by tossing ALPA and avoiding the SLI award he has locked us in to never getting a LCC JCBA, and locked himself into loa93 wages.

Now, when a merger may be imminent, and he will be dragged kicking and screaming into a new Binding SLI, he once again votes away a chance for a pay increase and contract benefits because, what, he is angry? It makes no F##%ing sense.

cactusmike

Flew my last trip with a friend of mine who has been here 10 years. We flew together a bunch on the 757 and a few times now on the bus. He had an ex PSA captain on the jumpseat. Cool guy, according to my friend, and not happy with USAPA. He told my buddy he made 125k last year as a airbus captain. After 35 years. My buddy, who flies an average line, about 86 to 88 hours a month told him he made 112 k last year as a f/o. The east captain shook his head and said, "that's what these idiots in PHL and CLT have led us into".

If this MOU should happen to fail there needs to be a medical review of mental health back east. It just seems so intuitive to vote Yes. The MOU is not a perfect document but it is so much better than what is in place, especially for the East. 1.6 billion dollar increase in pay and benefits just for LCC pilots over 6 years. That's. lot of samolians.

YourFnout

Agreed, good post!

CaptainBigWood

Mr. Bird in the Navajo. When USAPA is gone you can transfer your anger toward APA. I suspect your pouting about being denied the Nic. Just how many numbers do you gain over a DOH list on the Nic award? When did you get hired at HP? You frequently mention Fisher Price toys. Do you take them along with you on your trips?

Bringupthebird

With Nic I increase my relative position by 2%. With DOH, my relative position drops by 35%. I think my anger at the east pilot group and their stupidity will last as long as there are east pilots to have to deal with.

When are you retiring?

If you're not twice as angry at USAPA for what they've done to you, you've proved my point.

BTW it's an Empire Navajo, the root of your illustrious heritage.

CaptainBigWood

You still didn't answer, when were you hired? Maybe I can understand your anger.
The MOU will pass.