Will the US Air MOU pass?
02-02-2013, 09:18 AM
#61
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,293
Originally Posted by Bringupthebird
With Nic I increase my relative position by 2%. With DOH, my relative position drops by 35%. I think my anger at the east pilot group and their stupidity will last as long as there are east pilots to have to deal with.
When are you retiring?
If you're not twice as angry at USAPA for what they've done to you, you've proved my point.
BTW it's an Empire Navajo, the root of your illustrious heritage.
When are you retiring?
If you're not twice as angry at USAPA for what they've done to you, you've proved my point.
BTW it's an Empire Navajo, the root of your illustrious heritage.
An Emprie Navajo is THE root of our heritage? It's one little tiny one, there are much bigger, better ones. What's yours, a scab?
02-02-2013, 12:49 PM
#62
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: Speaking French
Posts: 385
Originally Posted by R57 relay
Well, you are stuck with me for the better part of two decades, Lord willing. So if you want to hang on to your anger and let it eat you, go ahead. I know a few of my PI friends that did just that and it hasn't worked well for them.
An Emprie Navajo is THE root of our heritage? It's one little tiny one, there are much bigger, better ones. What's yours, a scab?
An Emprie Navajo is THE root of our heritage? It's one little tiny one, there are much bigger, better ones. What's yours, a scab?
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02-03-2013, 08:15 AM
#63
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,293
Originally Posted by GQpilot
To be honest I kind of have a soft spot for Navajos, I built most my multi time in a Chieftain. I really liked flying that plane.
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If old what's his name wants an airplane that reflects most of the east culture he should go for a DC-3,or maybe a Stinson for the mail pick up. Off the top of my head the only route that we (mainline) are currently flying that one of our predecessors flew is ILM-CLT, part of Piedmont's original route. Maybe AAA connected PIT and PHL.
02-07-2013, 09:27 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,240
Well, well the radical clt reps that 70% of east pilots support are now against the mou. Even better PHL just elected the guy that got tossed from the negotiating committee and has railed against mou as their chairman.
Charlotte Domicile Update
February 7, 2013
Urgent Charlotte Domicile Update
The Sales Job
We firmly believe that it is not the job of your union to sell the pilots any bargaining agreement. We advocate and believe that it is our job to provide you with accurate information, data, and educational material that allow you to make your own informed choice. Unfortunately when we saw that “fancy” sales brochure show up in our mailboxes titled “Flight Plan to a Merger,” we knew our concerns about swaying your vote were legitimate. The document contains many inaccuracies and unknowns. In this update we try to provide some of the other side of the story to provide more balance for your decision process.
Your Charlotte Representatives recognize that you all are seasoned contract warriors and know you can smell a con job a mile away – we all had years of schooling from ALPA in that regard.
That is precisely why we insisted prior to the first MOU road show, that the NAC and the Officers not ‘sell’ the MOU to you, but rather present you the unbiased facts and let you make up your own mind. Please don’t misunderstand; we have no problem with the materials or format that was used to discuss the MOU. Our complaint and warning to you is that of accuracy, completeness, and true meaning of our post merger lives with the MOU as presented.
“But you voted unanimously for it to be sent to us for a vote right?”
Yes we did. Here’s the problem. While the NAC updated us during the negotiating process, in the late afternoon of January 2, 2013, the BPR was shown the completed top secret MOU for the first time. We had a briefing from the NAC and then were given less than 12 hours (deadline written directly into the MOU itself) to try to understand the MOU and the intricate ways in which it binds to the APA Green Book Contract. There simply wasn’t time to evaluate everything. We were forced to rely a great deal on what the NAC had delivered, because there was – you guessed it – a deadline looming. At the eleventh hour, we forced the issue of one last improvement (retrospective pay), and then complied with the wishes of numerous pilots who wanted desperately to vote on something - so we sent it out to you with a recommendation you approve the MOU.
Almost every day since that “deadline” has passed one or more grave problems have been revealed in the MOU and the APA Green Book contract that the BPR had no prior knowledge of.
The list includes:
Pay rates originally published for 2016 and beyond were inaccurate, although the NAC subsequently sent out a correction with the accurate rates.
Health insurance premiums, while in line with United and Delta, nevertheless cost more and have high deductibles.
The loss of survivor benefits after 5 years.
Contract language throughout that, although approved and written by our Professional Negotiator and other counsels, our Grievance Chairman says would be difficult to enforce.
When you add all of these unknowns to all of the things we already knew about the MOU, the entire document becomes almost impossible to gauge. When we’ve asked for clarifications on many of these serious issues, often the response from the NAC is “We’re still waiting on the Company and APA to tell us what this means.”
We believe there was not enough due diligence being done on this document before January, and the weeks since have been nothing but one disappointment after another. You should not fear the consequences of yes or no ratification of this agreement as your CLT leadership stands ready to take either course your collective will selects. We are prepared to proceed accordingly. It is not our duty or job to attempt to swing or sway your opinion and we completely understand the reasons for whatever your choice; be it “YES” or be it “NO”. What we do ask is that your follow your own judgment and heart in the decision making process, ask the tough questions, remain informed and vote accordingly.
The MOU voting closes on Friday February 8, 2013 at 1400 hours ET. This is your opportunity to define the next steps in your career and our futures; regardless of your views or opinion of the process or the content; please VOTE!
Fly Safe; we are committed to keep you informed and we will never allow you to be lied to.
Captain Bill McKee Chairman (980) 875-7644
First Officer Steve Crimi Vice Chairman (980) 875-7645
First Officer DeWitt Ingram Vice Chairman (704) 497-7246
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Charlotte Domicile Update
February 7, 2013
Urgent Charlotte Domicile Update
The Sales Job
We firmly believe that it is not the job of your union to sell the pilots any bargaining agreement. We advocate and believe that it is our job to provide you with accurate information, data, and educational material that allow you to make your own informed choice. Unfortunately when we saw that “fancy” sales brochure show up in our mailboxes titled “Flight Plan to a Merger,” we knew our concerns about swaying your vote were legitimate. The document contains many inaccuracies and unknowns. In this update we try to provide some of the other side of the story to provide more balance for your decision process.
Your Charlotte Representatives recognize that you all are seasoned contract warriors and know you can smell a con job a mile away – we all had years of schooling from ALPA in that regard.
That is precisely why we insisted prior to the first MOU road show, that the NAC and the Officers not ‘sell’ the MOU to you, but rather present you the unbiased facts and let you make up your own mind. Please don’t misunderstand; we have no problem with the materials or format that was used to discuss the MOU. Our complaint and warning to you is that of accuracy, completeness, and true meaning of our post merger lives with the MOU as presented.
“But you voted unanimously for it to be sent to us for a vote right?”
Yes we did. Here’s the problem. While the NAC updated us during the negotiating process, in the late afternoon of January 2, 2013, the BPR was shown the completed top secret MOU for the first time. We had a briefing from the NAC and then were given less than 12 hours (deadline written directly into the MOU itself) to try to understand the MOU and the intricate ways in which it binds to the APA Green Book Contract. There simply wasn’t time to evaluate everything. We were forced to rely a great deal on what the NAC had delivered, because there was – you guessed it – a deadline looming. At the eleventh hour, we forced the issue of one last improvement (retrospective pay), and then complied with the wishes of numerous pilots who wanted desperately to vote on something - so we sent it out to you with a recommendation you approve the MOU.
Almost every day since that “deadline” has passed one or more grave problems have been revealed in the MOU and the APA Green Book contract that the BPR had no prior knowledge of.
The list includes:
Pay rates originally published for 2016 and beyond were inaccurate, although the NAC subsequently sent out a correction with the accurate rates.
Health insurance premiums, while in line with United and Delta, nevertheless cost more and have high deductibles.
The loss of survivor benefits after 5 years.
Contract language throughout that, although approved and written by our Professional Negotiator and other counsels, our Grievance Chairman says would be difficult to enforce.
When you add all of these unknowns to all of the things we already knew about the MOU, the entire document becomes almost impossible to gauge. When we’ve asked for clarifications on many of these serious issues, often the response from the NAC is “We’re still waiting on the Company and APA to tell us what this means.”
We believe there was not enough due diligence being done on this document before January, and the weeks since have been nothing but one disappointment after another. You should not fear the consequences of yes or no ratification of this agreement as your CLT leadership stands ready to take either course your collective will selects. We are prepared to proceed accordingly. It is not our duty or job to attempt to swing or sway your opinion and we completely understand the reasons for whatever your choice; be it “YES” or be it “NO”. What we do ask is that your follow your own judgment and heart in the decision making process, ask the tough questions, remain informed and vote accordingly.
The MOU voting closes on Friday February 8, 2013 at 1400 hours ET. This is your opportunity to define the next steps in your career and our futures; regardless of your views or opinion of the process or the content; please VOTE!
Fly Safe; we are committed to keep you informed and we will never allow you to be lied to.
Captain Bill McKee Chairman (980) 875-7644
First Officer Steve Crimi Vice Chairman (980) 875-7645
First Officer DeWitt Ingram Vice Chairman (704) 497-7246
To adjust your email preferences or to opt out of communications, please visit the Account Settings section of the website.
Copyright 2013 - US Airline Pilots Association
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02-08-2013, 04:42 AM
#65
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: ECAM Apprentice
Posts: 183
Originally Posted by cactiboss
Well, well the radical clt reps that 70% of east pilots support are now against the mou. Even better PHL just elected the guy that got tossed from the negotiating committee and has railed against mou as their chairman. 3342
02-08-2013, 06:12 AM
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: Doing what you do, for less.
Posts: 1,792
Originally Posted by cactiboss
Well, well the radical clt reps that 70% of east pilots support are now against the mou. Even better PHL just elected the guy that got tossed from the negotiating committee and has railed against mou as their chairman. 3342
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