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Mox Nix 05-09-2013 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Pelican (Post 1402597)
I'm right there with you! Pay rate only, I'm voting no for anything less than 15% plain and simple. With almost 14% ROIC, the highest in the industry, they can afford to pay us every bit of DAL and SWA.

What's ROIC? (I'm another outsider)

8v8ter 05-09-2013 06:09 PM

Sounds like the mgmt. realized the error of their ways. Read this afternoons Negotiators notepad. Possible AIC on a 5 year contract.

Aspilot 05-09-2013 06:41 PM

I read the same but didn't see anything regarding an increase in scope protection. Skywest has those 100 seat jets coming and we have the weakest scope protection in the industry. Between that and the 400's & 700's going away its a pretty easy deduction what they want to do.

2loud 05-09-2013 07:04 PM

5 year deal?!? Hope it's a good one. We shall see:confused:.

680crewchief 05-09-2013 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Mox Nix (Post 1406447)
What's ROIC? (I'm another outsider)

Return On Invested Capital...I think.

TallFlyer 05-09-2013 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Mox Nix (Post 1406447)
What's ROIC? (I'm another outsider)

Return On Invested Capital

680crewchief 05-09-2013 07:08 PM

Winning! I've got tiger blood!

Jack Bauer 05-09-2013 07:36 PM

Learn from your brothers/sisters at Delta. The company said the turnip had been squeezed as much as it could be and the union sold the pilots on that. Now mysteriously billions more are coming out of the woodwork after the contract was ratified. Oh yeah the productivity gains we gave them stalled hiring for a couple more years. Watch and learn obi one.

cesnacaptn 05-09-2013 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1406600)
Learn from your brothers/sisters at Delta. The company said the turnip had been squeezed as much as it could be and the union sold the pilots on that. Now mysteriously billions more are coming out of the woodwork after the contract was ratified. Oh yeah the productivity gains we gave them stalled hiring for a couple more years. Watch and learn obi one.

No need to explain productivity gains to an Alaska pilot. We already went through that on the the last contract. We have about 100 fewer pilots than in '06, but about 10 more airplanes. How does that math work?

SVA402 05-09-2013 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Aspilot (Post 1406559)
I read the same but didn't see anything regarding an increase in scope protection. Skywest has those 100 seat jets coming and we have the weakest scope protection in the industry. Between that and the 400's & 700's going away its a pretty easy deduction what they want to do.

I'll be so disappointed if a contract gets passed without major changes to this. Given the history of scope issues at other airlines, Alaska is not by any means safe from this kind of thing. In fact, like Aspilot said, I think that's their plan. So why not save some mainline jobs?


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