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Old 05-14-2013 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
I'm pretty certain I don't want to share a cockpit with a toilet.

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Apparently you've never flown the 737.......
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Old 05-14-2013 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Starscream
And if you're landing on a runway where stopping distance is marginal/critical i.e. SNA or someplace like that?

But how about if you're on short final going into Aspen? Would anyone go around there? For this?? A low altitude go-around at ASE is something of an emergency maneuver in-and-of itself.

Really, really depends on the situation. If you're going to put the safety of the passengers and the plane into jeopordy by going around, yes landing becomes something of a no-brainer at that point.
Starscream, I never advocated detachment from reality or a lack of common sense so let me remind you that your FAR, FOM, SOP guidance do in fact supersede airlinepilotforums.com so please keep this in mind.

In this scenario a person disregard signage and cabin crew instruction. This occurrence should have never been brought to anyone's attention on short final—and on those grounds it is immaterial. It might as well not exist and should not alter the level of risk the aircraft is exposed to.

I would opt to land with "appropriate" braking over a go around. The merits of avoiding a more dangerous go around maneuver by landing are certainly defensible.
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Old 05-14-2013 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LNL76
FA shouldn't have suggested a go-around, BUT made the right call to let the pilots know. If they didn't and someone reported it to the company/FAA, their ass would be in a sling. The most they can do it call up front....you guys take it from there. (Unfortunately much of this is just covering one's ass.)
Yes. No one is wrong, persay, but there are ways to do it and CYA. Don't answer the phone as you are about to flare, then brief the FO and cabin crew that interrupting the landing sequence at that point constitutes and emergency situation and your reaction of landing was correct and allowed you to deviate. Then if anyone asks questions, it's set in stone. Tell them to feel free to call and that above a certain altitude, you might/will answer it. Then there's getting the police involved because a passenger isn't following instructions (apply probably on a case-by-case basis). Do these things, file the associated reports, and the problem will be come known and addressed. Ignore it and it won't get better, in fact, someone will probably get burned at some point...
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Old 05-14-2013 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LNL76
FA shouldn't have suggested a go-around, BUT made the right call to let the pilots know. If they didn't and someone reported it to the company/FAA, their ass would be in a sling. The most they can do it call up front....you guys take it from there. (Unfortunately much of this is just covering one's ass.)
This is where we will get into trouble. This is where you depart your realm of responsibility. Let me be clear: You don't know what you're talking about.

Calling the flight deck under sterile conditions is a clear violation of FARs (exception emergency), but a violation in my opinion it is not whilst landing with rouge passenger who unlawfully left his or her seat.

You don't know the specific conditions the aircraft is operating in. You don't know how busy or hazardous it is. You don't know how incredibly challenging the approach is, or how life sucks for us right now just keeping speed or avoiding traffic or trying to slow or configure or listen or respond or just stay in control.

Yes, I've seen it. ATC of late has know idea about the laws of physics lately or that airplanes need distance and time to descend and slow.

But then again, we may be on approach to Slowtown, USA where there are no challenges.

But how would you know? You DON'T. You would just be happy to ring the phone regardleless of the phase of flight, chewing your nails on what the FAA might think and cover your A$$.

I say the He// with that. Don't bother us and YOU deal with it. That's what you've been trained for. And don't worry about covering your A$$ you've done nothing wrong either. But we ain't on a taxiway, and we ain't at the gate. We are on approach. It's different now.

And no, as far as I'm concerned its not an emergency. No more than a pax getting up during moderate turbulence in flight with the seatbelt sign on. Write it up after the fact. Inform not enforce. But don't call me on short final unless we're on fire.
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