Go-Around for Pax in the Lav?
05-12-2013 | 09:22 PM
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Go-Around for Pax in the Lav?
So here's the scenario as it happened to me (I have overheard such scenarios loitering around the briefing room in the past):
Gear down on final, short final, call comes from the back. Ding! Lead FA: "Hey, we have a passenger who jumped up and ran into the lav. I think you should go around. I told her to remain seated and she ignored me. Should I get her out?"
Me: "Uhhh, no say strapped in. But this isn't a good time right now, I gotta go. (Click)
Now, before the wheels spin up in your head and get wrapped around the brain stem, yes we continued the approach and landed (and filled out an FSR).
I have heard other crews electing to execute a go-around after receiving a call like this and I want to know what your thoughts are. Here are my bullet points:
- Passengers have been briefed on landing checks and policy, seatbelt sign is on.
- Cabin crew is seated and strapped in. They are secured in their jumpseats to facilitate egress to the passengers in the event of an evac. Removing their harnesses and getting up to retrieve a passenger from the lav during landing could injure the FA in the event of an incident and prohibit them from performing their duties (remember inform not enforce).
- Executing a go-around on short final for any reason is an added and significant risk to ALL aboard the aircraft not to mention other aircraft in the vicinity. An aircraft which fails to clear the runway is a good reason. But a potty break? (Hey, but when yo gotta go-you gotta GO)!
- Go-around hazards: Irregular op, high workload, loss of separation, mid-air, FOD or bird, engine or mechanical failure, weather or low visibility issues, fuel issues, communication, errors/stress, ATC complications, arrival delays, and of course, expense.
All for one person who couldn't hold it? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
And you say?
Gear down on final, short final, call comes from the back. Ding! Lead FA: "Hey, we have a passenger who jumped up and ran into the lav. I think you should go around. I told her to remain seated and she ignored me. Should I get her out?"
Me: "Uhhh, no say strapped in. But this isn't a good time right now, I gotta go. (Click)
Now, before the wheels spin up in your head and get wrapped around the brain stem, yes we continued the approach and landed (and filled out an FSR).
I have heard other crews electing to execute a go-around after receiving a call like this and I want to know what your thoughts are. Here are my bullet points:
- Passengers have been briefed on landing checks and policy, seatbelt sign is on.
- Cabin crew is seated and strapped in. They are secured in their jumpseats to facilitate egress to the passengers in the event of an evac. Removing their harnesses and getting up to retrieve a passenger from the lav during landing could injure the FA in the event of an incident and prohibit them from performing their duties (remember inform not enforce).
- Executing a go-around on short final for any reason is an added and significant risk to ALL aboard the aircraft not to mention other aircraft in the vicinity. An aircraft which fails to clear the runway is a good reason. But a potty break? (Hey, but when yo gotta go-you gotta GO)!
- Go-around hazards: Irregular op, high workload, loss of separation, mid-air, FOD or bird, engine or mechanical failure, weather or low visibility issues, fuel issues, communication, errors/stress, ATC complications, arrival delays, and of course, expense.
All for one person who couldn't hold it? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
And you say?
05-12-2013 | 10:53 PM
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So here's the scenario as it happened to me (I have overheard such scenarios loitering around the briefing room in the past):
Gear down on final, short final, call comes from the back. Ding! Lead FA: "Hey, we have a passenger who jumped up and ran into the lav. I think you should go around. I told her to remain seated and she ignored me. Should I get her out?"
Me: "Uhhh, no say strapped in. But this isn't a good time right now, I gotta go. (Click)
Now, before the wheels spin up in your head and get wrapped around the brain stem, yes we continued the approach and landed (and filled out an FSR).
I have heard other crews electing to execute a go-around after receiving a call like this and I want to know what your thoughts are. Here are my bullet points:
- Passengers have been briefed on landing checks and policy, seatbelt sign is on.
- Cabin crew is seated and strapped in. They are secured in their jumpseats to facilitate egress to the passengers in the event of an evac. Removing their harnesses and getting up to retrieve a passenger from the lav during landing could injure the FA in the event of an incident and prohibit them from performing their duties (remember inform not enforce).
- Executing a go-around on short final for any reason is an added and significant risk to ALL aboard the aircraft not to mention other aircraft in the vicinity. An aircraft which fails to clear the runway is a good reason. But a potty break? (Hey, but when yo gotta go-you gotta GO)!
- Go-around hazards: Irregular op, high workload, loss of separation, mid-air, FOD or bird, engine or mechanical failure, weather or low visibility issues, fuel issues, communication, errors/stress, ATC complications, arrival delays, and of course, expense.
All for one person who couldn't hold it? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
And you say?
Gear down on final, short final, call comes from the back. Ding! Lead FA: "Hey, we have a passenger who jumped up and ran into the lav. I think you should go around. I told her to remain seated and she ignored me. Should I get her out?"
Me: "Uhhh, no say strapped in. But this isn't a good time right now, I gotta go. (Click)
Now, before the wheels spin up in your head and get wrapped around the brain stem, yes we continued the approach and landed (and filled out an FSR).
I have heard other crews electing to execute a go-around after receiving a call like this and I want to know what your thoughts are. Here are my bullet points:
- Passengers have been briefed on landing checks and policy, seatbelt sign is on.
- Cabin crew is seated and strapped in. They are secured in their jumpseats to facilitate egress to the passengers in the event of an evac. Removing their harnesses and getting up to retrieve a passenger from the lav during landing could injure the FA in the event of an incident and prohibit them from performing their duties (remember inform not enforce).
- Executing a go-around on short final for any reason is an added and significant risk to ALL aboard the aircraft not to mention other aircraft in the vicinity. An aircraft which fails to clear the runway is a good reason. But a potty break? (Hey, but when yo gotta go-you gotta GO)!
- Go-around hazards: Irregular op, high workload, loss of separation, mid-air, FOD or bird, engine or mechanical failure, weather or low visibility issues, fuel issues, communication, errors/stress, ATC complications, arrival delays, and of course, expense.
All for one person who couldn't hold it? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
And you say?
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05-12-2013 | 11:11 PM
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+1. I would have just landed and called the FA after we exited the runway.
I did have a similar situation happen to me, but it wasnt short final. Around the FAF, on a clear day. We went around. I was so ****ed about the passenger not being able to follow the rules. I think, what you did at short final was a good call to land. Just not sure you should be answering the phone a couple hundred feet off the deck.
I did have a similar situation happen to me, but it wasnt short final. Around the FAF, on a clear day. We went around. I was so ****ed about the passenger not being able to follow the rules. I think, what you did at short final was a good call to land. Just not sure you should be answering the phone a couple hundred feet off the deck.
05-13-2013 | 03:01 AM
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05-13-2013 | 03:19 AM
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They should just add seatbelts in the lavs and be done with it! We could even charge extra for that seat!
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05-13-2013 | 03:31 AM
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Basic question. Was the cabin and galley secure for landing? I other words... were all passengers in their seats, with their belts on, seat backs and trays in the full upright and stowed position?
If not, what is your airline's policy with landing in this situation. The carrier I fly with along with previous ones, under normal situations, where fuel is not an issue, or a medical emergency is in effect, are dead set against landing unless the cabin and galleys are secured.
What it comes down is a judgement call, followed by an ASAP either way, and a go-around report to the company if one was accomplished.
Can't fault the cabin crew for if this is a required procedure set forth in the Flight attendant manual.
If not, what is your airline's policy with landing in this situation. The carrier I fly with along with previous ones, under normal situations, where fuel is not an issue, or a medical emergency is in effect, are dead set against landing unless the cabin and galleys are secured.
What it comes down is a judgement call, followed by an ASAP either way, and a go-around report to the company if one was accomplished.
Can't fault the cabin crew for if this is a required procedure set forth in the Flight attendant manual.
05-13-2013 | 05:34 AM
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I don't blame the passenger. Sometimes those nasty gut-spasms come on quick. Better to do this than **** yourself.
Below maybe 1,000' or so, I'd completely ignore the phone, assuming all other indications are normal. We're landing in moments, I cannot imagine anything the FA could or would say that would merit a go-around.
Below maybe 1,000' or so, I'd completely ignore the phone, assuming all other indications are normal. We're landing in moments, I cannot imagine anything the FA could or would say that would merit a go-around.
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