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Old 06-09-2013, 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaver Hunter View Post
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The fundamental thing you are forgetting. No middle class, no other class. Our constitution was written to protect this core value. Freedom has a price. Something many people of former colonial states don't understand. Americans fought for our freedoms against a over welcoming set of obstacles. We will fight again when our freedoms are threatened. No amount of $$ will ever stop that.
The emirates biggest obstacles will be the spread of radical Islam. The world is starting to wake up. Lines are being drawn. It's good to know where one stands when the moment of truth is set upon them.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:46 AM
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The emirates biggest obstacles will be the spread of radical Islam. The world is starting to wake up. Lines are being drawn. It's good to know where one stands when the moment of truth is set upon them.
Please expand on that. As in the U.A.E., the expat community outnumbers the Emirati at about a ratio of 11 to 1. From all over the world, pilots, doctors, teachers, and all have flocked out to the sand box. And over the past twenty five years you can see how things have evolved in Dubai and the U.A.E. Sorry, maybe I just don't understand the context of what you are trying to convey, but what exactly do we need to wake up too?
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
Let me fix it for you......

My opinion, the United States is about one global economic crisis away from complete meltdown. Their latest printing press spree was just approved by Obama, and if you walk around the town, you can see four different types of people. There are the 1%ers, the rest of the people, those who pay lots of taxes, and those who don't pay any federal tax yet still beotch about taxes. There is no way that they can continue down their current path of printing money and free spending. It is unsustainable. Once they run out of printing press money to pay for socialist things, they will be a society devoid of a middle class workforce and without any real skills other than borrowing cash. Hopefully it will last for another few decades, but after that, I really don't see any plan to take them and their propped up economy into the future.
Don't get me wrong, it is a fun and safe place to visit and do business. I really like it there other than the people who want free handouts. I just don't see how the fantasy can last in the long term.



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I am not the least bit happy with our current fiscal situation either. I work for the government and I shake my head every day at the way my money is being spent and the ineptitude of our political leadership.

I do think you are wrong about the US due to some major fundamental differences. We have a strong native working class that actually has drive, determination, and produces things. Emeratis are mostly either wealthy or work in made up pretend government jobs that exist for the purpose of providing them with a paycheck and job security. They have to pay and house an unskilled workforce to do the jobs they don't want to do. They also pay through the nose to employ a skilled professional expat workforce to do the things they can't do.

In an economic collapse, I agree that the US is in for a rude awakening, but it won't be the end of life as we know it. We would rise from the ashes, probably stronger than before. I don't think the same thing can be said about Dubai, Qatar, and some of the other gulf states that are all spending lots of dough right now to fund their airline industries.

I honestly hope I am wrong as these countries provide valuable allies in that region and are, right now, the best examples of moderation in an extremely conservative religion and culture.
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Originally Posted by pilotrob23 View Post
Please expand on that. As in the U.A.E., the expat community outnumbers the Emirati at about a ratio of 11 to 1. From all over the world, pilots, doctors, teachers, and all have flocked out to the sand box. And over the past twenty five years you can see how things have evolved in Dubai and the U.A.E. Sorry, maybe I just don't understand the context of what you are trying to convey, but what exactly do we need to wake up too?

If we could compete with foreign carriers on service we would win, however with the EEOC, Cat Ranchers, and flight attendant unions that protect lousy work ethic and poor service we will never win........
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Originally Posted by pilotrob23 View Post
Please expand on that. As in the U.A.E., the expat community outnumbers the Emirati at about a ratio of 11 to 1. From all over the world, pilots, doctors, teachers, and all have flocked out to the sand box. And over the past twenty five years you can see how things have evolved in Dubai and the U.A.E. Sorry, maybe I just don't understand the context of what you are trying to convey, but what exactly do we need to wake up too?
I agree. I have spent a few weeks there and from my experience, they are a fairly moderate and open society when put in the context of that region. I have no personal problem with the place or the people that choose to work there. I just don't see it lasting long term.
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO View Post
If we could compete with foreign carriers on service we would win, however with the EEOC, Cat Ranchers, and flight attendant unions that protect lousy work ethic and poor service we will never win........
While you're blaming everyone else, look at your work rules and how much they cost your company in manning and scheduling flexibility.

Now, before all the mods and DINOS swoop down on me, I happen to believe that the work rules and pay rates negotiated in the US make it the best jobs in the world.

That being said, most of you in the US have absolutely no idea what it's like to work to FAR's with management's ability to fire you without cause!
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Just playing devils advocate, no flame bait meant, but what's the plan when all their oil runs out in 10 years.......
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO View Post
If we could compete with foreign carriers on service we would win, however with the EEOC, Cat Ranchers, and flight attendant unions that protect lousy work ethic and poor service we will never win........
Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way! I'm okay with collective bargaining and workers rights, but sometimes the elevator goes a floor too high...
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:14 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_res..._Arab_Emirates

Note: the vast, vast majority is in Abu Dhabi. Hint: that's not Dubai.
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Originally Posted by Readback View Post
While you're blaming everyone else, look at your work rules and how much they cost your company in manning and scheduling flexibility.

Now, before all the mods and DINOS swoop down on me, I happen to believe that the work rules and pay rates negotiated in the US make it the best jobs in the world.

That being said, most of you in the US have absolutely no idea what it's like to work to FAR's with management's ability to fire you without cause!

talking out of both sides of your mouth....


working as an expat sucks... no thanks.....fired without cause yada yada......

FA's are not professionals. Answer an ad in a newspaper, maybe a high school diploma. Recurrent is a joke. Most can not even operate nor perform all required duties. Ask a catch rancher to climb their bloated butt in a raft! They are obtuse and coddled beyond those in congress. Bid 3 coast to coast back to backs to be off the rest of the month off and have the tampons to tell you they are not going to serve they are just too tired... Fire them all for **** poor performance! GMAFB tired of the bs... BTW a couple of fat bastard captains need to find away to get into the raft too, but until it is part of the FARS for pilots i can only laugh at them.. he will just drown because of his choices. Passengers will drown because the company and the FAA dont want to fight the unions and the EEOC.... Cat ranchers will kill this industry right along with the professionals with those fancy AFA extortion certificates they got from the FAA...
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