Delta Furlough Protections
07-01-2013, 07:30 PM
#21
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Furloughs almost always happen while the airline is still hiring. The fact that hiring is about to start means you are getting closer to furloughing.
Furlough protection works great, right up until......it doesn't.
I have been through 2 1/2 cycles of this. It is starting to get predictable.
Furlough protection works great, right up until......it doesn't.
I have been through 2 1/2 cycles of this. It is starting to get predictable.
07-01-2013, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Wow. Ummmm.....no. Delta isn't even close to furloughing. Delta is getting ready to hire. The airline is not overstaffed. Certain categories are, but the airline is not. We will be moving up shortly. 
"However, hiring has not been authorized at this time, and with
a surplus of pilots at a system level we have to utilize our existing pilot staffing."
I think that it is pretty clear that they intend to staff the airline with existing pilots They also said
"over the next 12 months 10 757s have been slated for retirement, with six more during the second half of 2014. For 2015 the plan is for 15-20 757s to be removed from service. As a result, we will have a continued surplus of 7ER pilots, specifically First Officers."
They also say:
we are posting a bid (June bid) now to ensure we have the required staffing for 2014.
At any rate with 117 retirements total in 2014, it sounds like they are confident that they are manned for 2014 or at least that is what they lead me to believe.
07-01-2013, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by daldude
Regrettably according to the crew resources news letter posted July 2013
"However, hiring has not been authorized at this time, and with
a surplus of pilots at a system level we have to utilize our existing pilot staffing."
I think that it is pretty clear that they intend to staff the airline with existing pilots They also said
"over the next 12 months 10 757s have been slated for retirement, with six more during the second half of 2014. For 2015 the plan is for 15-20 757s to be removed from service. As a result, we will have a continued surplus of 7ER pilots, specifically First Officers."
They also say:
we are posting a bid (June bid) now to ensure we have the required staffing for 2014.
At any rate with 117 retirements total in 2014, it sounds like they are confident that they are manned for 2014 or at least that is what they lead me to believe.
"However, hiring has not been authorized at this time, and with
a surplus of pilots at a system level we have to utilize our existing pilot staffing."
I think that it is pretty clear that they intend to staff the airline with existing pilots They also said
"over the next 12 months 10 757s have been slated for retirement, with six more during the second half of 2014. For 2015 the plan is for 15-20 757s to be removed from service. As a result, we will have a continued surplus of 7ER pilots, specifically First Officers."
They also say:
we are posting a bid (June bid) now to ensure we have the required staffing for 2014.
At any rate with 117 retirements total in 2014, it sounds like they are confident that they are manned for 2014 or at least that is what they lead me to believe.
07-01-2013, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Keep in mind that Dickson and the heads of hiring have confirmed interviews are planned for this fall with classes in January.
I do no that on 28 June 2013(4 days ago) Steve Dickson stated in his Delta Flight Ops weekly update that " Our Crew resources team is currently analyzing our staffing needs for the next 18 months" pair that with the Crew resources letter dated July 2013 which says " we are posting a bid now to ensure we have the required staffing for 2014" in reference to June 2013 bid.
It seems to me both parties are clearly stating that manning is good for 2014. In June Dickson says crew resources is looking at manning and in July crew resources say the June bid set us up for 2014. Now with that said I could be missing the correspondence you are referencing above.
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07-01-2013, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by daldude
I stand corrected, I have not seen that announcement.
I do no that on 28 June 2013(4 days ago) Steve Dixon stated in his Delta Flight Ops weekly update that " Our Crew resources team is currently analyzing our staffing needs for the next 18 months" pair that with the Crew resourses letter dated July 2013 which says " we are posting a bid now to ensure we have the required staffing for 2014" in reference to June 2013 bid.
It seems to me both parties are clearly stating that manning is good for 2014. In June Dixon says crew resources is looking at manning and in July crew resources say the June bid set us up for 2014. Now with that said I could be missing the correspondence you are referencing above.
I do no that on 28 June 2013(4 days ago) Steve Dixon stated in his Delta Flight Ops weekly update that " Our Crew resources team is currently analyzing our staffing needs for the next 18 months" pair that with the Crew resourses letter dated July 2013 which says " we are posting a bid now to ensure we have the required staffing for 2014" in reference to June 2013 bid.
It seems to me both parties are clearly stating that manning is good for 2014. In June Dixon says crew resources is looking at manning and in July crew resources say the June bid set us up for 2014. Now with that said I could be missing the correspondence you are referencing above.
07-01-2013, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Dixon (Dickson?) stated it in an update a month or two ago, and Flanigan has been confirming said plans in the jumpseat audits he's done in the last few weeks (friends have had him in the jumpseat).
I will correct that.So if that is the case why so much mis information in the print format such as Dicksons 28 June crew update and crew resources stating we are good for 2014 in July update. What is the motive to tell people we are going to hire then write we are good to go. That is not a leadership style that I ever learned in the Air Force or management class.
Not trying to be snarky, mostly just an interesting conversation.
07-01-2013, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by daldude
Yes Dickson, not sure why I did that, sorry
So if that is the case why so much mis information in the print format such as Dicksons 28 June crew update and crew resources stating we are good for 2014 in July update. What is the motive to tell people we are going to hire then write we are good to go. That is not a leadership style that I ever learned in the Air Force or management class.
Not trying to be snarky, mostly just an interesting conversation.
So if that is the case why so much mis information in the print format such as Dicksons 28 June crew update and crew resources stating we are good for 2014 in July update. What is the motive to tell people we are going to hire then write we are good to go. That is not a leadership style that I ever learned in the Air Force or management class.
Not trying to be snarky, mostly just an interesting conversation.
Never said I wasn't an idiot. My take from the July resources update and the AE update was that resources has absolutely zero clue what they are doing.. just shooting from the hip at this point trying to make it work in early 2014 until new bodies can enter the system. btw- this bid was to staff for early 2014, not late 2014.
Notice how they keep saying hiring is not funded in 2013 over and over.... hiring IS funded for 2014 and has to start... no way around it.
Of course, I'm in a category that is critically understaffed...
07-01-2013, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm the one that typed Dixon first. Never said I wasn't an idiot.
My take from the July resources update and the AE update was that resources has absolutely zero clue what they are doing.. just shooting from the hip at this point trying to make it work in early 2014 until new bodies can enter the system. btw- this bid was to staff for early 2014, not late 2014.
Notice how they keep saying hiring is not funded in 2013 over and over.... hiring IS funded for 2014 and has to start... no way around it.
Of course, I'm in a category that is critically understaffed...
Never said I wasn't an idiot. My take from the July resources update and the AE update was that resources has absolutely zero clue what they are doing.. just shooting from the hip at this point trying to make it work in early 2014 until new bodies can enter the system. btw- this bid was to staff for early 2014, not late 2014.
Notice how they keep saying hiring is not funded in 2013 over and over.... hiring IS funded for 2014 and has to start... no way around it.
Of course, I'm in a category that is critically understaffed...
I'm in a category that just had the bottom 20% take mandatory displacements. Maybe some of them moved into your category.
07-01-2013, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by daldude
I had not seen the announcement that the delta board had funded hiring for 2014. That is good news. I did see they announced flight attendant hiring.
I'm in a category that just had the bottom 20% take mandatory displacements. Maybe some of them moved into your category.
I'm in a category that just had the bottom 20% take mandatory displacements. Maybe some of them moved into your category.
And nope, they didn't... Looks like the highest paid pilots at DL this year are going to be the ATL320A's. The B side (which I'm in) will probably be among if not the highest paid FOs. As a rsv, I'm flying about 50 hours each month but getting paid around 100 each month. I mean, if they don't want to staff the category right, that's fine... but that's not helping the bottom line and I'll keep rolling the thunder.
07-01-2013, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm the one that typed Dixon first. Never said I wasn't an idiot.
My take from the July resources update and the AE update was that resources has absolutely zero clue what they are doing.. just shooting from the hip at this point trying to make it work in early 2014 until new bodies can enter the system. btw- this bid was to staff for early 2014, not late 2014.
Notice how they keep saying hiring is not funded in 2013 over and over.... hiring IS funded for 2014 and has to start... no way around it.
Of course, I'm in a category that is critically understaffed...
Never said I wasn't an idiot. My take from the July resources update and the AE update was that resources has absolutely zero clue what they are doing.. just shooting from the hip at this point trying to make it work in early 2014 until new bodies can enter the system. btw- this bid was to staff for early 2014, not late 2014.
Notice how they keep saying hiring is not funded in 2013 over and over.... hiring IS funded for 2014 and has to start... no way around it.
Of course, I'm in a category that is critically understaffed...
Bottom line though is I like your insider information much better than the information they are publishing.
Keep the thunder rolling!
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