Delta CEO call for open skies in Japan
07-31-2013 | 12:21 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
One aspect of their history that's particularly interesting is how they got themselves into their current level of socialism. Unlike DeToqueville's model of the people voting themselves goodies; the Japanese actually started their socialism to take the burden off men supporting their families ... so those men would more readily die in war.
Perhaps it is just me, but my experiences in business overseas have taught me that the concept of "fair" only exists on the island.
07-31-2013 | 12:24 PM
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How dare a country protect it's own airlines and give them preferential treatment. I am pretty sure that if ATL was slot controlled and the Japanese airlines said we need more slots for expansion that Delta would be against the Japanese getting more slots. Also, who would want to fly Delta or United from Tokyo when the Asian airlines provide a far superior product.
07-31-2013 | 12:34 PM
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OK, let's go with that. I say we do the same thing the Japanese are. For example, instead of Japanese carriers flying all their metal into SFO, sorry guys you only get 5 slots at SFO, the rest are for OAK. Sorry, 5 JFK slots then the rest to EWR, and on and on. I bet they would get the picture or if not that's fine too. I'm sure their SFO bound business passengers won't mind the drive from OAK. GMAB. Why do we allow ourselves to be treated this way? I guess the lack of a National Airline Policy supported by our gov't??
07-31-2013 | 01:03 PM
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AUPILOT,
Bottom line is that Delta, Ual, and Fdx(via Nwa, Pan am, and Flying Tigers) have special rights from post WW2. Unfair as it may seem, it's what happens when you start and lose a war. Tough ****! The NWA routes were ALL at HND until NRT opened and forced all international flights there. I think all Mr. Anderson is saying is, we'd like our old slots back, domo arigato! The Japanese want to change the game now. If we had a government that gave 2 ****s about our airlines or its employees they would play hardball and give the Japanese airlines notice that their landing slots are invalid in 30 days. There is another angle at play here too. Don't dismiss the fact that UAL and AA with their ANA and JAL JVs are probably lobbying behind/around the A4A and Delta to torpedo our operation. As things stand now that is the only thing they can do to slow Delta's operation pulling away from them. UAL is a cluster, and AA+LCC is going to be worse.
Bottom line is that Delta, Ual, and Fdx(via Nwa, Pan am, and Flying Tigers) have special rights from post WW2. Unfair as it may seem, it's what happens when you start and lose a war. Tough ****! The NWA routes were ALL at HND until NRT opened and forced all international flights there. I think all Mr. Anderson is saying is, we'd like our old slots back, domo arigato! The Japanese want to change the game now. If we had a government that gave 2 ****s about our airlines or its employees they would play hardball and give the Japanese airlines notice that their landing slots are invalid in 30 days. There is another angle at play here too. Don't dismiss the fact that UAL and AA with their ANA and JAL JVs are probably lobbying behind/around the A4A and Delta to torpedo our operation. As things stand now that is the only thing they can do to slow Delta's operation pulling away from them. UAL is a cluster, and AA+LCC is going to be worse.
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07-31-2013 | 08:00 PM
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+1 on what Albie said.
This is the same logic the results in otherwise intelligent people buying a run out POS corporate aircraft because it has new paint and interior. If I have to make a choice, I prefer a crew with airmanship skills somewhere North of those possessed by the average chimp - but that's just me.
This is the same logic the results in otherwise intelligent people buying a run out POS corporate aircraft because it has new paint and interior. If I have to make a choice, I prefer a crew with airmanship skills somewhere North of those possessed by the average chimp - but that's just me.
08-01-2013 | 03:47 AM
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OK, let's go with that. I say we do the same thing the Japanese are. For example, instead of Japanese carriers flying all their metal into SFO, sorry guys you only get 5 slots at SFO, the rest are for OAK. Sorry, 5 JFK slots then the rest to EWR, and on and on. I bet they would get the picture or if not that's fine too. I'm sure their SFO bound business passengers won't mind the drive from OAK. GMAB. Why do we allow ourselves to be treated this way? I guess the lack of a National Airline Policy supported by our gov't??
And it shouldn't just be the Japoanese carriers either. If I were king, Britich Airways would be flying into PHL only until they opened up LHR. But nooooooo they fly into SEA,SFO,LAX,MCO,ATL,JFK,EWR,ORD..... and we got... how many slots in LHR again? (And DAL is number 2 with the VA agreement... a distant second.... I have no idea how many UAL has, but I;ll bet it ain't many.)
08-01-2013 | 01:39 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
The elder statesmen of our current government Administration were proud of their work to deregulate the airline industry in the United States. Could it be the only thing that gets their one trick pony excited is deregulation, without regard for American workers?
The pols see deregulation as a consumer success. Air travel is cheap.
The pols see deregulation as a consumer success. Air travel is cheap.
08-01-2013 | 02:25 PM
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Me.
First, I trust the Delta pilots with my life. I trust them when I send my kids out to join me skiing and they fly UM to join me on a layover.
Second, I see a value in protecting good, American jobs that pay a solid wage.
Third--I see a value in trying to keep the US the leader in all things aerospace. It helps create jobs. Having an aerospace nation means we have the people, resources, and infrastructure to prevail in combat if required. American airpower helped win WWII and has been our "force multiplier" in combat the last seventy years. A solid aerospace industry is vital to that, and our domestic airlines play a huge part in that as well.
Fourth--I've flown Delta to HKG, ATH, CDG, FRA, DXB, CGN, HNL, ANC, SCL, and a host of other cities around the globe. I've enjoyed their service, and the lie flat seats on the 777 are darn nice. The food and wine have been good. And the cabin crews were very nice.
So--I trust the pilots. I want to support the home team. I see a value in protecting and promoting American jobs at companies that ARE NOT SUBSIDIZED by their own government to create an uneven market.
I also have seen the KAL safety record. We have pictures at our company of some China Southern jets COVERED in snow that took off. We all saw the Asiana mishap over and over on TV. I'm not saying that these companies do not have some very professional crews, nor am I saying American pilots have not made mistakes too. But if you don't mind--my dollars are going to the home team, and my old military buddies, interview clients, and friends I've made along the way at Delta can plan on seeing my family there for a long time to come.
But hey...if the food is that good and that FA (that is NOT going to bang you, BTW...) is so important, enjoy your flight. I'll fly a sky team code-share when I have to, but will jumpseat on our own freighters to avoid flying on Emirates or Qatari.
If you want the rewards of our industry, you need to support OUR industry.
First, I trust the Delta pilots with my life. I trust them when I send my kids out to join me skiing and they fly UM to join me on a layover.
Second, I see a value in protecting good, American jobs that pay a solid wage.
Third--I see a value in trying to keep the US the leader in all things aerospace. It helps create jobs. Having an aerospace nation means we have the people, resources, and infrastructure to prevail in combat if required. American airpower helped win WWII and has been our "force multiplier" in combat the last seventy years. A solid aerospace industry is vital to that, and our domestic airlines play a huge part in that as well.
Fourth--I've flown Delta to HKG, ATH, CDG, FRA, DXB, CGN, HNL, ANC, SCL, and a host of other cities around the globe. I've enjoyed their service, and the lie flat seats on the 777 are darn nice. The food and wine have been good. And the cabin crews were very nice.
So--I trust the pilots. I want to support the home team. I see a value in protecting and promoting American jobs at companies that ARE NOT SUBSIDIZED by their own government to create an uneven market.
I also have seen the KAL safety record. We have pictures at our company of some China Southern jets COVERED in snow that took off. We all saw the Asiana mishap over and over on TV. I'm not saying that these companies do not have some very professional crews, nor am I saying American pilots have not made mistakes too. But if you don't mind--my dollars are going to the home team, and my old military buddies, interview clients, and friends I've made along the way at Delta can plan on seeing my family there for a long time to come.
But hey...if the food is that good and that FA (that is NOT going to bang you, BTW...) is so important, enjoy your flight. I'll fly a sky team code-share when I have to, but will jumpseat on our own freighters to avoid flying on Emirates or Qatari.
If you want the rewards of our industry, you need to support OUR industry.
A friend who is a Delta pilot, built his time up prior to Skywest at one of the Asian pilot factories. They can recite checklists word-for-word really well and that's about it. Can you imagine in a few years when they're deeper into a pilot shortage and none of our quality pilots are going over there because American and Delta are hiring like crazy.
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