Delta CEO call for open skies in Japan
08-01-2013 | 03:04 PM
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How dare a country protect it's own airlines and give them preferential treatment. I am pretty sure that if ATL was slot controlled and the Japanese airlines said we need more slots for expansion that Delta would be against the Japanese getting more slots. Also, who would want to fly Delta or United from Tokyo when the Asian airlines provide a far superior product.
08-01-2013 | 05:08 PM
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Always amazes me when pilots look down on their peers for their mistakes. We don't hear of too many of them landing heavies on taxiways at their home fields. I saw a red, white, and blue MD with a widget on the tail stuck in the mud in DC not too long ago. Should I continue?
08-01-2013 | 05:18 PM
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Delta Air Lines founded 1928
Asiana Airlines founded 1988
Seeing as how Delta has been in existence for 60 years MORE then Asiana & was a pioneer in the airline industry, there is a chance more people have perished on Delta.
But you'd have to provide numbers to prove it. And total fatalities doesn't tell the entire story.
Here's something to help get you started. Notice who number 2 & 3 on the least fatalities for US operators list are. In the top 5 if mixed in with foreign operators.
Which Airplanes and Airlines are the Safest? : The Consumer Warning Network
Asiana Airlines founded 1988
Seeing as how Delta has been in existence for 60 years MORE then Asiana & was a pioneer in the airline industry, there is a chance more people have perished on Delta.
But you'd have to provide numbers to prove it. And total fatalities doesn't tell the entire story.
Here's something to help get you started. Notice who number 2 & 3 on the least fatalities for US operators list are. In the top 5 if mixed in with foreign operators.
Which Airplanes and Airlines are the Safest? : The Consumer Warning Network
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08-01-2013 | 05:34 PM
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Always amazes me when pilots look down on their peers for their mistakes. We don't hear of too many of them landing heavies on taxiways at their home fields. I saw a red, white, and blue MD with a widget on the tail stuck in the mud in DC not too long ago. Should I continue?
BTW, it should be known that when the FAA flew the same approach under the same conditions that the B767 encountered at KATL, they too lined up and went straight for the taxiway.
No one is infallible. That's what makes us human. But the USA is far ahead of Asia in the fields of CRM and safety. The statistics show that's undeniable.
08-01-2013 | 06:03 PM
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C'mon Johnso. You guys dodged a nuclear tip harpoon on that one and don't try to diminish it because some FAA types did it in the sim too. There was a Delta jet that hit a seawall in Boston killing almost all aboard that I remember reading about. (I'm a big believer in studying past accidents to prevent future ones.) Again, I don't think we here have a leg to stand on when looking down our noses at others with respect to accidents. We may however be a little more critical of them and their culture when it comes to accountability. A cactus friend of mine told me over drinks and catching up that they were blaming their low approach on bright lights in their eyes. Hmmmm. . .
08-01-2013 | 06:16 PM
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C'mon Johnso. You guys dodged a nuclear tip harpoon on that one and don't try to diminish it because some FAA types did it in the sim too. There was a Delta jet that hit a seawall in Boston killing almost all aboard that I remember reading about. (I'm a big believer in studying past accidents to prevent future ones.) Again, I don't think we here have a leg to stand on when looking down our noses at others with respect to accidents. We may however be a little more critical of them and their culture when it comes to accountability. A cactus friend of mine told me over drinks and catching up that they were blaming their low approach on bright lights in their eyes. Hmmmm. . .
Lots of airlines have dodged nuclear tip harpoons that we haven't heard about. It happens. CAL landed a 757 on a much smaller taxiway in EWR. Shuttle America dodged a nuclear tip harpoon when they ran off the end of 10/28 in CLE. They didn't stop that short of the ravine.
As I said earlier, none of us are infallible. But statistics are undeniable, & they certainly prove that the USA is far ahead WRT CRM.
08-01-2013 | 06:20 PM
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C'mon Johnso. You guys dodged a nuclear tip harpoon on that one and don't try to diminish it because some FAA types did it in the sim too. There was a Delta jet that hit a seawall in Boston killing almost all aboard that I remember reading about. (I'm a big believer in studying past accidents to prevent future ones.) Again, I don't think we here have a leg to stand on when looking down our noses at others with respect to accidents. We may however be a little more critical of them and their culture when it comes to accountability. A cactus friend of mine told me over drinks and catching up that they were blaming their low approach on bright lights in their eyes. Hmmmm. . .
We're talking about Asiana and lagging behind in CRM, and you bring up an accident that happened before CRM was even developed and taught anywhere in the world. It was my understanding that the FAA guys lined up in a real airplane, not in the sim. That was one of a number of reasons why the guys that did it got off with minimal consequences.
08-01-2013 | 06:46 PM
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