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Old 10-26-2013, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin View Post
Thanks for the detective work. Who would have imagined that ALPA national would standby and watch 12,000 of some of their highest paid members go down the path of Airways.....
Who would have imagined that ALPA national would standby and watch 12,000 of some of their highest paid members take 42% pay cuts, lose their pensions, and then have DALPA spend the next decade trying to convince this pilot group that this is just the "new reality" and not to expect restoration...

I'm just sayin'...
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:41 AM
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Thanks for the detective work. Who would have imagined that ALPA national would standby and watch 12,000 of some of their highest paid members go down the path of Airways.....
Such an interesting observation.

As I understand it, "Airways" went down their "path" primarily because of a major dispute over their SLI with America West. US Airways/America West has been a major train wreck of a merger. Delta/Northwest has been arguably the most successful merger in airline history. We made $1 billion profit in just the 3rd quarter of this year! DPA has been very clear that it's formation has nothing to do with the SLI.

Nice straw man, Fishin. Maybe if you and tsquare say it enough times, some people will start believing you.
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:59 AM
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Such an interesting observation.

As I understand it, "Airways" went down their "path" primarily because of a major dispute over their SLI with America West. US Airways/America West has been a major train wreck of a merger. Delta/Northwest has been arguably the most successful merger in airline history. We made $1 billion profit in just the 3rd quarter of this year! DPA has been very clear that it's formation has nothing to do with the SLI.

Nice straw man, Fishin. Maybe if you and tsquare say it enough times, some people will start believing you.
You're right. The past decade is all ALPA/DALALPA's fault. SARS, Sept 11th, greatest economic melt down since the Great Depression etc, etc. I guess if I "keep repeating it" I too can blame ALPA for not making it to pro ball, not having a super model wife and having legs that look like Olive Oils. Great strategy......
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Old 10-26-2013, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin View Post
You're right. The past decade is all ALPA/DALALPA's fault. SARS, Sept 11th, greatest economic melt down since the Great Depression etc, etc. I guess if I "keep repeating it" I too can blame ALPA for not making it to pro ball, not having a super model wife and having legs that look like Olive Oils. Great strategy......
Okay, I get it. Dean Wormer dropped the big one. Might as well just give up, tuck our tails between our legs, and accept our fate.

To be clear, I don't blame any of the above on ALPA/DALPA. I blame our response and lack of a plan to recover on ALPA/DALPA. I blame our surrender (as so eloquently stated by you ) on ALPA/DALPA. Who else is there to blame for this? (well, besides about 60% of us who have agreed to go along with DALPA on this)
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin View Post
Thanks for the detective work. Who would have imagined that ALPA national would standby and watch 12,000 of some of their highest paid members DUES DOLLARS get away.....
Fixed your post.

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Fixed your post.

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Could the DPA operate without dues dollars? As a senior guy who has publicly stated he was retiring at 60 I find your adamant support of DPA comical. If you stick to your word and DPA was by chance voted in, how many new PWA's would you work under? I'm guessing a big fat ZERO. We all know your M.O. It's not what's best for the Delta pilot. It's about making ALPA hurt just like you have these past ten years. They do have support groups out there.....
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin View Post
Could the DPA operate without dues dollars?
No. Neither can ALPA. That's why I fixed your post where you mistakenly made it sound like ALPA was an altruistic organization.

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As a senior guy who has publicly stated he was retiring at 60 I find your adamant support of DPA comical. If you stick to your word and DPA was by chance voted in, how many new PWA's would you work under? I'm guessing a big fat ZERO.
You would have similar criticism if I was a younger guy, except the criticism would go something like this: "Since you're going to have to live with multiple lousy DPA contracts for the rest of your career, I find your adamant support of DPA comical."

You have to remember, you're not the only one that gets copies of the "special committee's" talking points dude.

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We all know your M.O. It's not what's best for the Delta pilot.
Really? We all know my M.O.? Who knew. I don't even know my M.O.

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It's about making ALPA hurt just like you have these past ten years.
Don't know what you're referring to because the last ten years have been the best in my professional career.

Stomping you're feet, waving your arms, and other emotional outbursts are not going to be a successful strategy for your "special "committee." It's not about making anyone hurt. It's a simple business decision to replace a poorly performing vendor.

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Old 10-27-2013, 02:27 AM
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Changey... then Hopey. THAT's the deee peeee aaaay
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Changey... then Hopey. THAT's the deee peeee aaaay

How pathetic..........
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler View Post
Don't know what you're referring to because the last ten years have been the best in my professional career.

Stomping you're feet, waving your arms, and other emotional outbursts are not going to be a successful strategy for your "special "committee." It's not about making anyone hurt. It's a simple business decision to replace a poorly performing vendor.

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No emotion and pure logic. Got it.
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