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Old 09-09-2016 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Silly question... What's the difference?
I believe what he is referring too is he had 4 Letters of Rec from Delta pilots in his Airline Apps Addendum, but none of those pilots sent in an internal rec to the Pilot Selection Team via their delta.com email that will get your application pulled and looked at.

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Old 09-09-2016 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bentwookie
Delta CJO

121 regional captain (recent upgrade)
TT 4,700
SIC TURBINE 3,400
PIC TURBINE 108
no checkride fails ever
0 internal recs
Airline App letters of recommendation from Delta pilots: 4
2 speeding tickets (BOTH MORE THAN 7 YEARS AGO)
1 Juvenile stupidity arrest (did community service & learned my lesson)
WIA 2015 NGPA 2016
one fix-it email FEB -2016 (neglected to update my medical date)
B.S. aviation degree - 3.9 college GPA
moderate volunteer experience

interview prep: AeroCrew and RST

Thankful for the opportunity to work for my # 1 choice. Can't wait to get started!
Maybe you can give that guy with a 4.0 GPA and 13,000 hours an internal recommendation so he doesn't have to go to a job fair. I am just be sarcastic at the hiring practices not you. It's actually pretty awesome you made it and should have a great career! The 55 year old is being discriminated against by a computer so it's o.k. and legal.
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Old 09-09-2016 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonbeam
Maybe you can give that guy with a 4.0 GPA and 13,000 hours an internal recommendation so he doesn't have to go to a job fair. I am just be sarcastic at the hiring practices not you. It's actually pretty awesome you made it and should have a great career! The 55 year old is being discriminated against by a computer so it's o.k. and legal.
I don't know the 55 year old and neither do you. That said, you're assuming his app is perfect and contains no errors. I've heard crazy stories from guys that made very stupid mistakes on their apps that cost them many months/years in seniority. I know you're pulling for the guy - I am, too - but there's a very high probability there's a reason or reasons other than his age and high flight time for his no-calls.

Until Delta makes their tier and scoring systems completely public and transparent, which will never happen of course, all that can be discussed as to why someone of such high experience can't get a call are theories and conjecture.
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Old 09-09-2016 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
wookie - nice job being prepared. A couple of job fairs (box checked) and then checked the upgrade box. Was that a new type rating also?
No new type rating. I tried to check as many boxes as I could to make up for my low time. Something worked, still not exactly sure what...
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Old 09-10-2016 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CenterlinePrep
I believe what he is referring too is he had 4 Letters of Rec from Delta pilots in his Airline Apps Addendum, but none of those pilots sent in an internal rec to the Pilot Selection Team via their delta.com email that will get your application pulled and looked at.

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Centerline is exactly right. I was waiting until after I upgraded to have my Delta friends put in an internal rec. This is because I was told at both job fairs that I needed more TPIC to be competitive. Oddly enough, the invite came before I had any real TPIC, and before I had a chance to have them pull the trigger on the internal recs. Go figure.
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Old 09-10-2016 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
I've heard crazy stories from guys that made very stupid mistakes on their apps that cost them many months/years in seniority. I know you're pulling for the guy - I am, too - but there's a very high probability there's a reason or reasons other than his age and high flight time for his no-calls.
This. I have a close friend who has had his app in longer than me with similar qualifications - he's heard crickets. After I got the email (and I admit, I have no idea why I got lucky) he got frustrated and asked me to take a look at his application. It was riddled with typos and other inconsistencies. Of course, he is just one person. I know there are other people on this forum who have had their app professionally screened and are still waiting as well. It's frustrating for everybody.
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Old 09-10-2016 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bentwookie
Delta CJO

121 regional captain (recent upgrade)
TT 4,700
SIC TURBINE 3,400
PIC TURBINE 108
no checkride fails ever
0 internal recs
Airline App letters of recommendation from Delta pilots: 4
2 speeding tickets (BOTH MORE THAN 7 YEARS AGO)
1 Juvenile stupidity arrest (did community service & learned my lesson)
WIA 2015 NGPA 2016
one fix-it email FEB -2016 (neglected to update my medical date)
B.S. aviation degree - 3.9 college GPA
moderate volunteer experience

interview prep: AeroCrew and RST

Thankful for the opportunity to work for my # 1 choice. Can't wait to get started!
Which regional did you work for? How old are you? Also, where did u go to college? Sorry if I'm overstepping.

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Old 09-10-2016 | 04:04 PM
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Age doesn't matter, remember? But if you appear "experienced" on your app, you will probably be passed over "by the computer".
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Old 09-10-2016 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by airlinepilotguy
Which regional did you work for? How old are you? Also, where did u go to college? Sorry if I'm overstepping.
No worries, I'll send you the info in a PM.
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Old 09-10-2016 | 07:26 PM
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If you are a higher time regional captain and you haven't been called, don't despair. Average civilian newhire at my SWA class had anywhere from 7,000 to 15,000 hours.

If you aren't getting called, don't despair, but take some time to reflect on what's going on.

How many of us are lazy and don't take time to put precise numbers on the pilot application? Does your application say you have 12000 hours total time, 4000 turbine PIC? Really? Are you sure it's not 11,925 and 4,058 as EMB-145 captain? Get your logbook totals added up correctly and accurately.

Did you correctly indicate when your last flight was after you last updated your flight time?

Is your application complete with full 10 year background check? Do NOT rely on the application system checkers - make sure it's all covered.

What is your listed availability date? 2 weeks notice? Specific date 3 months from now? I'd pick a date 3 months from time you update.

Did you update your medical date on your application?

Did you list any volunteerism?

Two things to remember gents:

Your application is scored by a COMPUTER PROGRAM, and it is that program that selects you for the next stage. That means you need to have your i's dotted and t's crossed correctly. If you don't, your application will be disregarded as incomplete or with errors by the system, and you won't get called.

Once you think you have it corrected, ask a friend or pay a service provider to look your application over. Paying $100 or whatever it costs for app review is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.

Hope this helps.
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