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03-05-2017, 06:25 AM
#2401
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: DAL A320 CA
Posts: 558
Originally Posted by Airfix
Total Hours (at invite) = 4600
TPIC (at invite) = 600
No military
App published in December 2010 for majors
17 internal recommendations at Delta (including check airmen, rampers, fa's, legacy family member and interview panel member)
5 direct recommendations to internal Delta email address (spread over years)
Delta fix it email January 2014
Paid App review (company 1) January 2014
Very expensive paid app review (company 2) July 2015
OBAP 2015
WAI 2016
On reaching 500 TPIC I took a shotgun approach. Had a bunch of contacts write letters to internal DAL email. Paid for yet another app review by (company 1) - they found 2 minor mistakes 1) telephone formatting error and 2) I didn't copy my speeding tickets to the addendum question regarding being convicted of an offence.
DAL invite September 2016 (exactly 4 weeks after my shotgun)
Emerald Coast online and in-person seminars September 2016
Interview October 2016 (I was almost a decade older than everyone else in interview)
Indoc February 2017
Other Background:
I'm an old dude, second career guy - born early 70's
Extremely low GPA but in an excellent and difficult technical field
Regional hire in October 2007
Furloughed December 2009
Second regional hire early 2011
Upgrade late 2015 (first available)
Spent my furlough year looking for flying work while doing original career work.
2016 was my first year as a pilot making more than $40,000. It has been a rough, long difficult road which has involved years of commuting as a regional FO with poor pay.
I'd pretty much given up moving on. My shotgun was my last ditched effort. I'd also add that I had many people including pilots who were successful, review my app independently to paid services.
Your app needs to tell your story. If there is not a box that fits what you are trying to tell them, find a place to put it. I put a lot of stuff in educational achievements to get my very unique story across to the person scoring my app.
I'm very blown away that I finally got offered a job.
It goes to show, don't give up, even a old crusty dumb dude like me can make it. Two pieces of advice:
1) Don't give up
2) Your application needs to be in 100% perfect condition.
Good luck.
Airfix
TPIC (at invite) = 600
No military
App published in December 2010 for majors
17 internal recommendations at Delta (including check airmen, rampers, fa's, legacy family member and interview panel member)
5 direct recommendations to internal Delta email address (spread over years)
Delta fix it email January 2014
Paid App review (company 1) January 2014
Very expensive paid app review (company 2) July 2015
OBAP 2015
WAI 2016
On reaching 500 TPIC I took a shotgun approach. Had a bunch of contacts write letters to internal DAL email. Paid for yet another app review by (company 1) - they found 2 minor mistakes 1) telephone formatting error and 2) I didn't copy my speeding tickets to the addendum question regarding being convicted of an offence.
DAL invite September 2016 (exactly 4 weeks after my shotgun)
Emerald Coast online and in-person seminars September 2016
Interview October 2016 (I was almost a decade older than everyone else in interview)
Indoc February 2017
Other Background:
I'm an old dude, second career guy - born early 70's
Extremely low GPA but in an excellent and difficult technical field
Regional hire in October 2007
Furloughed December 2009
Second regional hire early 2011
Upgrade late 2015 (first available)
Spent my furlough year looking for flying work while doing original career work.
2016 was my first year as a pilot making more than $40,000. It has been a rough, long difficult road which has involved years of commuting as a regional FO with poor pay.
I'd pretty much given up moving on. My shotgun was my last ditched effort. I'd also add that I had many people including pilots who were successful, review my app independently to paid services.
Your app needs to tell your story. If there is not a box that fits what you are trying to tell them, find a place to put it. I put a lot of stuff in educational achievements to get my very unique story across to the person scoring my app.
I'm very blown away that I finally got offered a job.
It goes to show, don't give up, even a old crusty dumb dude like me can make it. Two pieces of advice:
1) Don't give up
2) Your application needs to be in 100% perfect condition.
Good luck.
Airfix
Last edited by CGfalconHerc; 03-05-2017 at 06:44 AM.
03-09-2017, 04:58 PM
#2402
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: A320 Right Seat
Posts: 309
How many of you guys used an application review service? I just signed up for the one with Aero Crew Solutions so kinda curious how effective it is.
Trying to get on with one of the Big Three, United being my first choice for the drive. 7300 total, 2300 TPIC, ex-mil (non-aviator) Master's. Currently FO on the 190 at JetBlue and bidding over to the Bus hopefully. Not sure where I stand with the competition.
Trying to get on with one of the Big Three, United being my first choice for the drive. 7300 total, 2300 TPIC, ex-mil (non-aviator) Master's. Currently FO on the 190 at JetBlue and bidding over to the Bus hopefully. Not sure where I stand with the competition.
03-10-2017, 06:47 AM
#2403
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Joined APC: Apr 2010
Position: Widebelly FO
Posts: 560
Originally Posted by 402DRVR
How many of you guys used an application review service? I just signed up for the one with Aero Crew Solutions so kinda curious how effective it is.
Trying to get on with one of the Big Three, United being my first choice for the drive. 7300 total, 2300 TPIC, ex-mil (non-aviator) Master's. Currently FO on the 190 at JetBlue and bidding over to the Bus hopefully. Not sure where I stand with the competition.
Trying to get on with one of the Big Three, United being my first choice for the drive. 7300 total, 2300 TPIC, ex-mil (non-aviator) Master's. Currently FO on the 190 at JetBlue and bidding over to the Bus hopefully. Not sure where I stand with the competition.
I used a bunch of app review services, after a while they all tell you the same thing and you figure out/learn all the tricks. Iv been review all my friends apps for free now. Find a buddy who knows how to properly fill out the app and ask them for help.
03-10-2017, 10:18 PM
#2404
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Position: A-220 Right Seat
Posts: 43
Any chance to bypass the regionals?
Howdy all,
Sorry for the long post. I'm a retired military helo guy with a decent amount of FW time, but not much FW PIC. I've been reading this thread for hours trying to answer the question of whether or not I would even be considered for the majors today, given the level of hiring that is currently going on.
I have nothing against the regionals...I spent 3 years there myself as an FO, but that was over 10 years ago. Haven't flown FW in 10 years. I'm 53 y/o and would have a tough time with the pay cut...not to mention that I don't have 20 more years to build a career.
I'm seeing folks hired with less time than me, so I figured I'd just put this question out to the crowd. If you don't mind, please tell me if you think there is any chance for me to get looked at by a legacy or major with these numbers:
Total Time: 6500 (1800 mil helo // 2676 civ helo // 2024 FW)
FW Total: 2024
FW MEL: 1800
CRJ 200: 1539
PIC (all): 3650
PIC Turbine Helo: 3250
PIC FW: 400 (200 MEL / 200 SEL) --all piston time
Turbine > 12,500 LBS (FW and RW): 2600
ATP-MEL
BS Prof Aero from Embry-Riddle
No tickets / DUI / Accidents, Incidents,or Enforcement.
Currently a Part 135 helo check airman / sim instructor / IFR / VFR/ NVG
I know, long post! Thanks for looking!
Sorry for the long post. I'm a retired military helo guy with a decent amount of FW time, but not much FW PIC. I've been reading this thread for hours trying to answer the question of whether or not I would even be considered for the majors today, given the level of hiring that is currently going on.
I have nothing against the regionals...I spent 3 years there myself as an FO, but that was over 10 years ago. Haven't flown FW in 10 years. I'm 53 y/o and would have a tough time with the pay cut...not to mention that I don't have 20 more years to build a career.
I'm seeing folks hired with less time than me, so I figured I'd just put this question out to the crowd. If you don't mind, please tell me if you think there is any chance for me to get looked at by a legacy or major with these numbers:
Total Time: 6500 (1800 mil helo // 2676 civ helo // 2024 FW)
FW Total: 2024
FW MEL: 1800
CRJ 200: 1539
PIC (all): 3650
PIC Turbine Helo: 3250
PIC FW: 400 (200 MEL / 200 SEL) --all piston time
Turbine > 12,500 LBS (FW and RW): 2600
ATP-MEL
BS Prof Aero from Embry-Riddle
No tickets / DUI / Accidents, Incidents,or Enforcement.
Currently a Part 135 helo check airman / sim instructor / IFR / VFR/ NVG
I know, long post! Thanks for looking!
03-10-2017, 11:00 PM
#2405
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 831
Originally Posted by Wingnut64
Howdy all,
Sorry for the long post. I'm a retired military helo guy with a decent amount of FW time, but not much FW PIC. I've been reading this thread for hours trying to answer the question of whether or not I would even be considered for the majors today, given the level of hiring that is currently going on.
I have nothing against the regionals...I spent 3 years there myself as an FO, but that was over 10 years ago. Haven't flown FW in 10 years. I'm 53 y/o and would have a tough time with the pay cut...not to mention that I don't have 20 more years to build a career.
I'm seeing folks hired with less time than me, so I figured I'd just put this question out to the crowd. If you don't mind, please tell me if you think there is any chance for me to get looked at by a legacy or major with these numbers:
Total Time: 6500 (1800 mil helo // 2676 civ helo // 2024 FW)
FW Total: 2024
FW MEL: 1800
CRJ 200: 1539
PIC (all): 3650
PIC Turbine Helo: 3250
PIC FW: 400 (200 MEL / 200 SEL) --all piston time
Turbine > 12,500 LBS (FW and RW): 2600
ATP-MEL
BS Prof Aero from Embry-Riddle
No tickets / DUI / Accidents, Incidents,or Enforcement.
Currently a Part 135 helo check airman / sim instructor / IFR / VFR/ NVG
I know, long post! Thanks for looking!
Sorry for the long post. I'm a retired military helo guy with a decent amount of FW time, but not much FW PIC. I've been reading this thread for hours trying to answer the question of whether or not I would even be considered for the majors today, given the level of hiring that is currently going on.
I have nothing against the regionals...I spent 3 years there myself as an FO, but that was over 10 years ago. Haven't flown FW in 10 years. I'm 53 y/o and would have a tough time with the pay cut...not to mention that I don't have 20 more years to build a career.
I'm seeing folks hired with less time than me, so I figured I'd just put this question out to the crowd. If you don't mind, please tell me if you think there is any chance for me to get looked at by a legacy or major with these numbers:
Total Time: 6500 (1800 mil helo // 2676 civ helo // 2024 FW)
FW Total: 2024
FW MEL: 1800
CRJ 200: 1539
PIC (all): 3650
PIC Turbine Helo: 3250
PIC FW: 400 (200 MEL / 200 SEL) --all piston time
Turbine > 12,500 LBS (FW and RW): 2600
ATP-MEL
BS Prof Aero from Embry-Riddle
No tickets / DUI / Accidents, Incidents,or Enforcement.
Currently a Part 135 helo check airman / sim instructor / IFR / VFR/ NVG
I know, long post! Thanks for looking!
03-11-2017, 07:00 PM
#2407
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Golf course, mostly.
Posts: 292
Originally Posted by Wingnut64
Howdy all,
Sorry for the long post. I'm a retired military helo guy with a decent amount of FW time, but not much FW PIC. I've been reading this thread for hours trying to answer the question of whether or not I would even be considered for the majors today, given the level of hiring that is currently going on.
I have nothing against the regionals...I spent 3 years there myself as an FO, but that was over 10 years ago. Haven't flown FW in 10 years. I'm 53 y/o and would have a tough time with the pay cut...not to mention that I don't have 20 more years to build a career.
I'm seeing folks hired with less time than me, so I figured I'd just put this question out to the crowd. If you don't mind, please tell me if you think there is any chance for me to get looked at by a legacy or major with these numbers:
Total Time: 6500 (1800 mil helo // 2676 civ helo // 2024 FW)
FW Total: 2024
FW MEL: 1800
CRJ 200: 1539
PIC (all): 3650
PIC Turbine Helo: 3250
PIC FW: 400 (200 MEL / 200 SEL) --all piston time
Turbine > 12,500 LBS (FW and RW): 2600
ATP-MEL
BS Prof Aero from Embry-Riddle
No tickets / DUI / Accidents, Incidents,or Enforcement.
Currently a Part 135 helo check airman / sim instructor / IFR / VFR/ NVG
I know, long post! Thanks for looking!
Sorry for the long post. I'm a retired military helo guy with a decent amount of FW time, but not much FW PIC. I've been reading this thread for hours trying to answer the question of whether or not I would even be considered for the majors today, given the level of hiring that is currently going on.
I have nothing against the regionals...I spent 3 years there myself as an FO, but that was over 10 years ago. Haven't flown FW in 10 years. I'm 53 y/o and would have a tough time with the pay cut...not to mention that I don't have 20 more years to build a career.
I'm seeing folks hired with less time than me, so I figured I'd just put this question out to the crowd. If you don't mind, please tell me if you think there is any chance for me to get looked at by a legacy or major with these numbers:
Total Time: 6500 (1800 mil helo // 2676 civ helo // 2024 FW)
FW Total: 2024
FW MEL: 1800
CRJ 200: 1539
PIC (all): 3650
PIC Turbine Helo: 3250
PIC FW: 400 (200 MEL / 200 SEL) --all piston time
Turbine > 12,500 LBS (FW and RW): 2600
ATP-MEL
BS Prof Aero from Embry-Riddle
No tickets / DUI / Accidents, Incidents,or Enforcement.
Currently a Part 135 helo check airman / sim instructor / IFR / VFR/ NVG
I know, long post! Thanks for looking!
03-12-2017, 12:20 AM
#2408
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Gear slinger
Posts: 2,900
Originally Posted by Wingnut64
Howdy all,
Sorry for the long post. I'm a retired military helo guy with a decent amount of FW time, but not much FW PIC. I've been reading this thread for hours trying to answer the question of whether or not I would even be considered for the majors today, given the level of hiring that is currently going on.
I have nothing against the regionals...I spent 3 years there myself as an FO, but that was over 10 years ago. Haven't flown FW in 10 years. I'm 53 y/o and would have a tough time with the pay cut...not to mention that I don't have 20 more years to build a career.
I'm seeing folks hired with less time than me, so I figured I'd just put this question out to the crowd. If you don't mind, please tell me if you think there is any chance for me to get looked at by a legacy or major with these numbers:
Total Time: 6500 (1800 mil helo // 2676 civ helo // 2024 FW)
FW Total: 2024
FW MEL: 1800
CRJ 200: 1539
PIC (all): 3650
PIC Turbine Helo: 3250
PIC FW: 400 (200 MEL / 200 SEL) --all piston time
Turbine > 12,500 LBS (FW and RW): 2600
ATP-MEL
BS Prof Aero from Embry-Riddle
No tickets / DUI / Accidents, Incidents,or Enforcement.
Currently a Part 135 helo check airman / sim instructor / IFR / VFR/ NVG
I know, long post! Thanks for looking!
Sorry for the long post. I'm a retired military helo guy with a decent amount of FW time, but not much FW PIC. I've been reading this thread for hours trying to answer the question of whether or not I would even be considered for the majors today, given the level of hiring that is currently going on.
I have nothing against the regionals...I spent 3 years there myself as an FO, but that was over 10 years ago. Haven't flown FW in 10 years. I'm 53 y/o and would have a tough time with the pay cut...not to mention that I don't have 20 more years to build a career.
I'm seeing folks hired with less time than me, so I figured I'd just put this question out to the crowd. If you don't mind, please tell me if you think there is any chance for me to get looked at by a legacy or major with these numbers:
Total Time: 6500 (1800 mil helo // 2676 civ helo // 2024 FW)
FW Total: 2024
FW MEL: 1800
CRJ 200: 1539
PIC (all): 3650
PIC Turbine Helo: 3250
PIC FW: 400 (200 MEL / 200 SEL) --all piston time
Turbine > 12,500 LBS (FW and RW): 2600
ATP-MEL
BS Prof Aero from Embry-Riddle
No tickets / DUI / Accidents, Incidents,or Enforcement.
Currently a Part 135 helo check airman / sim instructor / IFR / VFR/ NVG
I know, long post! Thanks for looking!
Since you've already got 121 time but are missing turbine PIC multi, this could be an avenue for you to beef up you're resume without starving into process- or finding a place to hang your hat long term if you don't get the call or like the mission/$$$.
03-15-2017, 08:43 AM
#2409
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: 7ER F/O
Posts: 42
DAL
Applied - Jan 2015
Fix it - July 2015
Invite - Oct 2016
3,300TT (all times are approximate at time of invite)
Heavy Mil experience
Civ instructing and part 141 check airman
Part 135 Air Taxi
470 TPIC
2000+ Total PIC
ATP-MEL
BS: Aero Science, 3.0 GPA, 5yrs to complete
Recent volunteer work
2 job fairs
Several DAL pilot recs
1 speeding ticket from 2002
33 y/o
Updated and refined my app regularly. As many others have said, be thorough and tell the reviewers your story. I listed employment all the way through high school. All volunteer work was written out with explanations and specifics.
Applied - Jan 2015
Fix it - July 2015
Invite - Oct 2016
3,300TT (all times are approximate at time of invite)
Heavy Mil experience
Civ instructing and part 141 check airman
Part 135 Air Taxi
470 TPIC
2000+ Total PIC
ATP-MEL
BS: Aero Science, 3.0 GPA, 5yrs to complete
Recent volunteer work
2 job fairs
Several DAL pilot recs
1 speeding ticket from 2002
33 y/o
Updated and refined my app regularly. As many others have said, be thorough and tell the reviewers your story. I listed employment all the way through high school. All volunteer work was written out with explanations and specifics.
03-15-2017, 09:26 AM
#2410
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Position: A-220 Right Seat
Posts: 43
Re: Otterbox
Thanks for the idea about the ISR business. I missed the part about the pay the first time that I read your reply. I did some research, and like most t-prop operators, they require t-prop experience. I will check it out anyway. Given the amount of hiring going on right now, maybe they'll be a bit more flexible.
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