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Old 03-01-2017 | 03:06 PM
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Total Hours (at invite) = 4600
TPIC (at invite) = 600

No military

App published in December 2010 for majors
17 internal recommendations at Delta (including check airmen, rampers, fa's, legacy family member and interview panel member)
5 direct recommendations to internal Delta email address (spread over years)
Delta fix it email January 2014
Paid App review (company 1) January 2014
Very expensive paid app review (company 2) July 2015
OBAP 2015
WAI 2016

On reaching 500 TPIC I took a shotgun approach. Had a bunch of contacts write letters to internal DAL email. Paid for yet another app review by (company 1) - they found 2 minor mistakes 1) telephone formatting error and 2) I didn't copy my speeding tickets to the addendum question regarding being convicted of an offence.

DAL invite September 2016 (exactly 4 weeks after my shotgun)
Emerald Coast online and in-person seminars September 2016
Interview October 2016 (I was almost a decade older than everyone else in interview)
Indoc February 2017

Other Background:
I'm an old dude, second career guy - born early 70's
Extremely low GPA but in an excellent and difficult technical field
Regional hire in October 2007
Furloughed December 2009
Second regional hire early 2011
Upgrade late 2015 (first available)
Spent my furlough year looking for flying work while doing original career work.

2016 was my first year as a pilot making more than $40,000. It has been a rough, long difficult road which has involved years of commuting as a regional FO with poor pay.

I'd pretty much given up moving on. My shotgun was my last ditched effort. I'd also add that I had many people including pilots who were successful, review my app independently to paid services.

Your app needs to tell your story. If there is not a box that fits what you are trying to tell them, find a place to put it. I put a lot of stuff in educational achievements to get my very unique story across to the person scoring my app.

I'm very blown away that I finally got offered a job.

It goes to show, don't give up, even a old crusty dumb dude like me can make it. Two pieces of advice:

1) Don't give up
2) Your application needs to be in 100% perfect condition.

Good luck.

Airfix
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Old 03-01-2017 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Airfix

I'm an old dude, second career guy - born early 70's

Airfix
Congrats and I applaud your perseverance ....but... Please tell me that Mid 40s isn't really considered "old" in this profession?
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Old 03-01-2017 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FlewNavy
Congrats and I applaud your perseverance ....but... Please tell me that Mid 40s isn't really considered "old" in this profession?
I thought not, but compared to my interview companions and my class mates I was 5 years or more older than them young punks
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Old 03-02-2017 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Airfix
Total Hours (at invite) = 4600
TPIC (at invite) = 600

No military

App published in December 2010 for majors
17 internal recommendations at Delta (including check airmen, rampers, fa's, legacy family member and interview panel member)
5 direct recommendations to internal Delta email address (spread over years)
Delta fix it email January 2014
Paid App review (company 1) January 2014
Very expensive paid app review (company 2) July 2015
OBAP 2015
WAI 2016

On reaching 500 TPIC I took a shotgun approach. Had a bunch of contacts write letters to internal DAL email. Paid for yet another app review by (company 1) - they found 2 minor mistakes 1) telephone formatting error and 2) I didn't copy my speeding tickets to the addendum question regarding being convicted of an offence.

DAL invite September 2016 (exactly 4 weeks after my shotgun)
Emerald Coast online and in-person seminars September 2016
Interview October 2016 (I was almost a decade older than everyone else in interview)
Indoc February 2017

Other Background:
I'm an old dude, second career guy - born early 70's
Extremely low GPA but in an excellent and difficult technical field
Regional hire in October 2007
Furloughed December 2009
Second regional hire early 2011
Upgrade late 2015 (first available)
Spent my furlough year looking for flying work while doing original career work.

2016 was my first year as a pilot making more than $40,000. It has been a rough, long difficult road which has involved years of commuting as a regional FO with poor pay.

I'd pretty much given up moving on. My shotgun was my last ditched effort. I'd also add that I had many people including pilots who were successful, review my app independently to paid services.

Your app needs to tell your story. If there is not a box that fits what you are trying to tell them, find a place to put it. I put a lot of stuff in educational achievements to get my very unique story across to the person scoring my app.

I'm very blown away that I finally got offered a job.

It goes to show, don't give up, even a old crusty dumb dude like me can make it. Two pieces of advice:

1) Don't give up
2) Your application needs to be in 100% perfect condition.

Good luck.

Airfix
What 2 companies did you use?
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Old 03-02-2017 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 3inthegreen
What 2 companies did you use?
I used Airline Transition Consultants and AeroCrew Solutions. ATC were quite expensive but I will say they do a very thorough job and their consultant spent hours and hours on the phone going through every minute detail. They really put in a lot of time for the money. I felt really good about my application after ATC looked at it and I was surprised when I didn't get the call. I will say I did not follow all of their advice and used some of my own judgement where necessary.

I'd made some changes and additions after ATC looked at it and I wanted another set of professional eyes to double and triple check it again. That is when I used AeroCrew Solutions for the second time. They found one phone number that wasn't the same format as the rest and the issue with the addendum I mentioned.

One thing I didn't mention in my original post is that I used Ready Set Takeoff (RST) for technical and cognitive prep. RST was absolutely essential in my success. Don't underestimate the networking and peer knowledge available on the RST site from prior interviewees. My advice would be to join RST before you get the invite.

I spent a fair bit of cash all in but I'm not sure I'd be sitting where I am if I did not.

Airfix
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Old 03-02-2017 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Airfix
I used Airline Transition Consultants and AeroCrew Solutions. ATC were quite expensive but I will say they do a very thorough job and their consultant spent hours and hours on the phone going through every minute detail. They really put in a lot of time for the money. I felt really good about my application after ATC looked at it and I was surprised when I didn't get the call. I will say I did not follow all of their advice and used some of my own judgement where necessary.

I'd made some changes and additions after ATC looked at it and I wanted another set of professional eyes to double and triple check it again. That is when I used AeroCrew Solutions for the second time. They found one phone number that wasn't the same format as the rest and the issue with the addendum I mentioned.

One thing I didn't mention in my original post is that I used Ready Set Takeoff (RST) for technical and cognitive prep. RST was absolutely essential in my success. Don't underestimate the networking and peer knowledge available on the RST site from prior interviewees. My advice would be to join RST before you get the invite.

I spent a fair bit of cash all in but I'm not sure I'd be sitting where I am if I did not.

Airfix
Congrats on the offer. Sent you a PM if you have a moment to spare .... thx
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Old 03-03-2017 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Airfix
I thought not, but compared to my interview companions and my class mates I was 5 years or more older than them young punks
I'm 43 - and was dead nuts in the middle of the "seniority list" for my indoc class at UAL this past August!
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Old 03-05-2017 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Airfix
Total Hours (at invite) = 4600
TPIC (at invite) = 600

No military

App published in December 2010 for majors
17 internal recommendations at Delta (including check airmen, rampers, fa's, legacy family member and interview panel member)
5 direct recommendations to internal Delta email address (spread over years)
Delta fix it email January 2014
Paid App review (company 1) January 2014
Very expensive paid app review (company 2) July 2015
OBAP 2015
WAI 2016

On reaching 500 TPIC I took a shotgun approach. Had a bunch of contacts write letters to internal DAL email. Paid for yet another app review by (company 1) - they found 2 minor mistakes 1) telephone formatting error and 2) I didn't copy my speeding tickets to the addendum question regarding being convicted of an offence.

DAL invite September 2016 (exactly 4 weeks after my shotgun)
Emerald Coast online and in-person seminars September 2016
Interview October 2016 (I was almost a decade older than everyone else in interview)
Indoc February 2017

Other Background:
I'm an old dude, second career guy - born early 70's
Extremely low GPA but in an excellent and difficult technical field
Regional hire in October 2007
Furloughed December 2009
Second regional hire early 2011
Upgrade late 2015 (first available)
Spent my furlough year looking for flying work while doing original career work.

2016 was my first year as a pilot making more than $40,000. It has been a rough, long difficult road which has involved years of commuting as a regional FO with poor pay.

I'd pretty much given up moving on. My shotgun was my last ditched effort. I'd also add that I had many people including pilots who were successful, review my app independently to paid services.

Your app needs to tell your story. If there is not a box that fits what you are trying to tell them, find a place to put it. I put a lot of stuff in educational achievements to get my very unique story across to the person scoring my app.

I'm very blown away that I finally got offered a job.

It goes to show, don't give up, even a old crusty dumb dude like me can make it. Two pieces of advice:

1) Don't give up
2) Your application needs to be in 100% perfect condition.

Good luck.

Airfix
Well done and welcome aboard! Don't worry, there's plenty of us really old crusty dumb dudes in the left seat to make you feel young again..congrats!

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Old 03-09-2017 | 04:58 PM
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How many of you guys used an application review service? I just signed up for the one with Aero Crew Solutions so kinda curious how effective it is.

Trying to get on with one of the Big Three, United being my first choice for the drive. 7300 total, 2300 TPIC, ex-mil (non-aviator) Master's. Currently FO on the 190 at JetBlue and bidding over to the Bus hopefully. Not sure where I stand with the competition.
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Old 03-10-2017 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 402DRVR
How many of you guys used an application review service? I just signed up for the one with Aero Crew Solutions so kinda curious how effective it is.

Trying to get on with one of the Big Three, United being my first choice for the drive. 7300 total, 2300 TPIC, ex-mil (non-aviator) Master's. Currently FO on the 190 at JetBlue and bidding over to the Bus hopefully. Not sure where I stand with the competition.

I used a bunch of app review services, after a while they all tell you the same thing and you figure out/learn all the tricks. Iv been review all my friends apps for free now. Find a buddy who knows how to properly fill out the app and ask them for help.
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