JB pilots attendance policy
11-02-2013, 06:46 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by amcflyboy
I've heard from numerous sources that the no voters are the minority. We've got just about enough to petition the NMB, which basically means all yes votes. With the new labor policies, those who don't vote don't get counted as no votes.
Just sayin'
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11-02-2013, 03:23 PM
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At SkyWest: call in sick, DH home, get paid out of user / vaca bank. Call in sick 34 times if you want, won't get one phone call about it (literally..) some people abuse this system, but not enough for the company to implement similar childish policies..
11-02-2013, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 303flyboy
At SkyWest: call in sick, DH home, get paid out of user / vaca bank. Call in sick 34 times if you want, won't get one phone call about it (literally..) some people abuse this system, but not enough for the company to implement similar childish policies..
On a side note, a union vote is the next natural step. Although one should be naive to think it was going to continue with a no attendance policy with the big growth that's being planned ahead. To play devils advocate and put things in perspective the new policy is still better than Airways/United, but it was ill placed and ill delivered implementing it without the PVC.
11-03-2013, 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CyFo145
And yet SkyW is trying to get concessions from its pilots...please, I know people at SkyW, and heard many oddball firings and nothing can be done sans union. Its a regional, and that's that.
On a side note, a union vote is the next natural step. Although one should be naive to think it was going to continue with a no attendance policy with the big growth that's being planned ahead. To play devils advocate and put things in perspective the new policy is still better than Airways/United, but it was ill placed and ill delivered implementing it without the PVC.
On a side note, a union vote is the next natural step. Although one should be naive to think it was going to continue with a no attendance policy with the big growth that's being planned ahead. To play devils advocate and put things in perspective the new policy is still better than Airways/United, but it was ill placed and ill delivered implementing it without the PVC.
I don't have a problem with having a policy.(not the new one)
What I have a problem with is them going around the PVC.
I think we could have come up with something fair, this email change was not a good way to go.
11-03-2013, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
5 occurrences in a rolling 12-month period, which include late, no check-in, etc. Company has the ability to require Dr visit after ONE sick-call if it happens during a time they've defined as staffing critical. They will pay for the visit, but NOT any diagnostics required as a result. That's the Clifs-note version.
11-03-2013, 05:15 AM
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AA used to be pretty good, but the infamous pilot sick-out soured an already bad relationship further.
As of now, it is an unwritten "guideline" that 6 sick calls in a 12 month period will get you noticed. The worst rule change happened recently, whereby you cannot self-declare sick for > 30 days; got to have a doc note. And our complex sick-hour bank (depletion/accrual) also changed for the worse.
But generally, unless you are abusing the system, you'll not hear a peep. But too many guys are playing the "Trip Trade with Sick Time" game, or worse, flying sick.
As of now, it is an unwritten "guideline" that 6 sick calls in a 12 month period will get you noticed. The worst rule change happened recently, whereby you cannot self-declare sick for > 30 days; got to have a doc note. And our complex sick-hour bank (depletion/accrual) also changed for the worse.
But generally, unless you are abusing the system, you'll not hear a peep. But too many guys are playing the "Trip Trade with Sick Time" game, or worse, flying sick.
11-03-2013, 05:34 AM
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Don't worry folks, the new attendance policy will be just like the "uniform policy"; aimed towards the 10% and will have no change what-so-ever ( yeah, I'm talking to you random windbreaker wearing pilot)
p.s. We're gonna need more then 70% cards, by the time Jetblue spends $3.5 million on "information to the pilots" some, like last time, will cave.
p.s. We're gonna need more then 70% cards, by the time Jetblue spends $3.5 million on "information to the pilots" some, like last time, will cave.
11-03-2013, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
I don't have a problem with having a policy.(not the new one)
What I have a problem with is them going around the PVC.
I think we could have come up with something fair, this email change was not a good way to go.
What I have a problem with is them going around the PVC.
I think we could have come up with something fair, this email change was not a good way to go.
The vagueness of the potential discipline is a huge issue. While Jetblue has some good CP's many of the smaller bases have to deal with horrible leadership. Leadership with a vengeance. As you have seen with some of the terminations all bases are not equal.
Other airlines have multiple buckets for sick, vacation and PTO. Jetblue has one and limits accrual. Certain month 2 maybe 3 pilots can have a vacation week because of the lack of available periods.That is largely why the policy works elsewhere.
With Jetblue healthcare a simple visit to a doctor could cost you a pretty penny. Every winter and every summer the airline is so grossly understaffed that this punishes reserves and line pilots.
11-03-2013, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ERJ135
LMAO, at Eagle its 3 in a rolling 12 month period. Than its a meeting with the chief pilot, in which the union rep never showed, you get a 90 day letter in your file, they don't pay for a Doc visit. However, its a doctors note or you don't get paid... haha, I'd say JB is an improvement..
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