Kinda of like saying "a good pilot should question EVERYTHING" but then fail to do so regarding DPA activities in the NYC crewroom. I guess your maxim doesn't apply when it's not politically convenient ..

Your logic is so twisted that you're pretty hard to follow dude. But I think you're trying to say that my admiration for SWAPA's results is misguided because they only have what they have because management already agreed with their interests? Was that the point you were struggling to make?

Carl

The ability for the members to directly elect the MEC chairman in a one man one vote process, that's what.

They probably will try, but instead of only having to threaten/cajole a handful of LEC members, they'll have to threaten/cajole 11,200 pilots. That they can't do.

See above. But it's interesting that your Special Committee's best defense now is to say: 'Don't change unions now because the same people that we all hate now will just work to get back in.'

Interesting sales pitch.

Carl

The vast majority of members don't GAS. Only the 25 or so of us on here are concerned with this, and I am not sure that I really care all that much. Not because I don't think it important, but because I would rather spen time sparring with some of you guys than reading reams of paper to find out about something over which I have zero control...

For folks that don't know what the Special Committee member here is talking about, here's a recap. This dude made a claim that DPA broke company rules in JFK due to organizing activities. I said he was lying because he couldn't back it up with any facts, and I would be anxiously awaiting the memo or letter from Delta to anyone stating that the alleged actions can never happen again. As I suspected, those memos, letters never came. It didn't happen and this dude knows it. So in an attempt to "prove" he didn't lie, he demands that me or anyone who doesn't believe him call the JFK chief pilot's office. We're supposed to tell the Chief Pilot that some Internet blog character claims the chief pilot office is angry at some alleged DPA activities, and ask to be briefed on it.

This is logic in the world of our Special Committee.

Carl

So, are you saying there is substantiation of a lack of temerity and backbone when the call comes in?

That would have surprised me with bar, but nothing is as it seems now anyways.

Keep living in your special little world Carl, don't let reality or facts stand in your way. Just because you choose not to believe facts doesn't make it a lie. Like you said "question everything" except now you make excuses why you don't. I'm going to finally take my dad's advice: "don't try and teach pigs to sing. It only wastes your time and annoys the pig." Your hypocrisy is overwhelming. Enjoy your echo chamber.....

If you wanted the "facts" you could have easily PM'd me. You intentionally chose not to. That makes you a small man in my viewpoint.

And we should believe you are in sole possession of the facts because _______.

Feel free to fill in the blank.

Maybe I should PM you so you can tell me the "facts" about our representation woes. You're unbiased, right?

Feel free to PM and I'd be glad to talk on the phone.

I appreciate the offer...but I'm not any more likely to change my views than you are. However, I'd be happy to field your call or PM if you're open to changing your opinion.

Also--how did you come to be the only person with the "facts" about the alleged issues in NYC?