NMB orders investigation at F9
12-22-2013, 09:58 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by 3662forlife
From the call Thursday, CM has a three-day recurrent Ground School, four sim training events, starting 1-20-2014 and IF he passes the ride, he is off-line for union business for the duration of his term as President (through 12-31-2015).
The National Airline Division (AD) has:
–Established a new Negotiating Team, with no RAH pilots having a speaking role,
–Taken over Negotiations,
–Removed our President from the NC,
–Added our Local VP to the AD NC team (without EBoard input or approval),
–Allowed the 357 NC Chair and Vice-Chair to attend negotiations – but placed a gag order on them so they can’t discuss what happens with the 357 EBoard (we ARE paying National, right?),
–TA’ed a “new” Article 6(a) – without revealing what is being negotiated or agreed upon to the 357 EBoard or membership,
–And more.
The alleged advantage of having IBT represent us versus ALPA was that IBT is a “Bottom-up” organization, while ALPA is a “Top-down” organization. What IBT National Airline Division is doing isn’t remotely a “Bottom-up” approach.
Is this a power move by IBT AD and/or have they lost confidence in the Local – again?
Are we getting close to another Trusteeship?
Wilder is no longer a part of negotiations, why are we still paying an assessment for his services?
If the AD has taken over negotiations, shouldn’t National be paying for it, as no one from the Local even gets a vote (until all four (or 5) Articles are put out for a vote)?
If National AD is running the show, they should pay for the show!
What will CM do for the next year to justify his pay?
It IS nice to see CM finally posting on the MB, that’s got to be worth something…
Who is paying him? RAH, IBT National, Local 357 or no one?
Is he, or will he be, paid as a FO, Capt. or “something else?”
What happens if he fails the check ride again? Especially when our VP has crossed over from “Local” to “National?”
The National Airline Division (AD) has:
–Established a new Negotiating Team, with no RAH pilots having a speaking role,
–Taken over Negotiations,
–Removed our President from the NC,
–Added our Local VP to the AD NC team (without EBoard input or approval),
–Allowed the 357 NC Chair and Vice-Chair to attend negotiations – but placed a gag order on them so they can’t discuss what happens with the 357 EBoard (we ARE paying National, right?),
–TA’ed a “new” Article 6(a) – without revealing what is being negotiated or agreed upon to the 357 EBoard or membership,
–And more.
The alleged advantage of having IBT represent us versus ALPA was that IBT is a “Bottom-up” organization, while ALPA is a “Top-down” organization. What IBT National Airline Division is doing isn’t remotely a “Bottom-up” approach.
Is this a power move by IBT AD and/or have they lost confidence in the Local – again?
Are we getting close to another Trusteeship?
Wilder is no longer a part of negotiations, why are we still paying an assessment for his services?
If the AD has taken over negotiations, shouldn’t National be paying for it, as no one from the Local even gets a vote (until all four (or 5) Articles are put out for a vote)?
If National AD is running the show, they should pay for the show!
What will CM do for the next year to justify his pay?
It IS nice to see CM finally posting on the MB, that’s got to be worth something…
Who is paying him? RAH, IBT National, Local 357 or no one?
Is he, or will he be, paid as a FO, Capt. or “something else?”
What happens if he fails the check ride again? Especially when our VP has crossed over from “Local” to “National?”
12-22-2013, 02:54 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,097
Originally Posted by 3662forlife
From the call Thursday, CM has a three-day recurrent Ground School, four sim training events, starting 1-20-2014 and IF he passes the ride, he is off-line for union business for the duration of his term as President (through 12-31-2015).
The National Airline Division (AD) has:
–Established a new Negotiating Team, with no RAH pilots having a speaking role,
–Taken over Negotiations,
–Removed our President from the NC,
–Added our Local VP to the AD NC team (without EBoard input or approval),
–Allowed the 357 NC Chair and Vice-Chair to attend negotiations – but placed a gag order on them so they can’t discuss what happens with the 357 EBoard (we ARE paying National, right?),
–TA’ed a “new” Article 6(a) – without revealing what is being negotiated or agreed upon to the 357 EBoard or membership,
–And more.
The alleged advantage of having IBT represent us versus ALPA was that IBT is a “Bottom-up” organization, while ALPA is a “Top-down” organization. What IBT National Airline Division is doing isn’t remotely a “Bottom-up” approach.
Is this a power move by IBT AD and/or have they lost confidence in the Local – again?
Are we getting close to another Trusteeship?
Wilder is no longer a part of negotiations, why are we still paying an assessment for his services?
If the AD has taken over negotiations, shouldn’t National be paying for it, as no one from the Local even gets a vote (until all four (or 5) Articles are put out for a vote)?
If National AD is running the show, they should pay for the show!
What will CM do for the next year to justify his pay?
It IS nice to see CM finally posting on the MB, that’s got to be worth something…
Who is paying him? RAH, IBT National, Local 357 or no one?
Is he, or will he be, paid as a FO, Capt. or “something else?”
What happens if he fails the check ride again? Especially when our VP has crossed over from “Local” to “National?”
The National Airline Division (AD) has:
–Established a new Negotiating Team, with no RAH pilots having a speaking role,
–Taken over Negotiations,
–Removed our President from the NC,
–Added our Local VP to the AD NC team (without EBoard input or approval),
–Allowed the 357 NC Chair and Vice-Chair to attend negotiations – but placed a gag order on them so they can’t discuss what happens with the 357 EBoard (we ARE paying National, right?),
–TA’ed a “new” Article 6(a) – without revealing what is being negotiated or agreed upon to the 357 EBoard or membership,
–And more.
The alleged advantage of having IBT represent us versus ALPA was that IBT is a “Bottom-up” organization, while ALPA is a “Top-down” organization. What IBT National Airline Division is doing isn’t remotely a “Bottom-up” approach.
Is this a power move by IBT AD and/or have they lost confidence in the Local – again?
Are we getting close to another Trusteeship?
Wilder is no longer a part of negotiations, why are we still paying an assessment for his services?
If the AD has taken over negotiations, shouldn’t National be paying for it, as no one from the Local even gets a vote (until all four (or 5) Articles are put out for a vote)?
If National AD is running the show, they should pay for the show!
What will CM do for the next year to justify his pay?
It IS nice to see CM finally posting on the MB, that’s got to be worth something…
Who is paying him? RAH, IBT National, Local 357 or no one?
Is he, or will he be, paid as a FO, Capt. or “something else?”
What happens if he fails the check ride again? Especially when our VP has crossed over from “Local” to “National?”
12-22-2013, 02:59 PM
#24
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Posts: 112
Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Sigh....no.
Nobody (maybe a select few) at RAH wants to go with the spun off company. Not gonna get involved in this thread any deeper. I'll leave the vile threads to the usual pleasant F9'ers in this forum.
Nobody (maybe a select few) at RAH wants to go with the spun off company. Not gonna get involved in this thread any deeper. I'll leave the vile threads to the usual pleasant F9'ers in this forum.
Your feelings are known, now go away.
Honor YOUR word..
Thanks for the memories, now move along.
Thank You.
12-22-2013, 03:30 PM
#25
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Posts: 414
Originally Posted by 3662forlife
CM has a three-day recurrent Ground School, four sim training events, starting 1-20-2014
In other words, "Let it go! Frontier Airlines is no longer a part of RAH, and as such, the Frontier pilots deserve to be represented by the organization of their choice."
12-22-2013, 05:03 PM
#26
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Posts: 1,097
Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Sigh....no.
Nobody (maybe a select few) at RAH wants to go with the spun off company. Not gonna get involved in this thread any deeper. I'll leave the vile threads to the usual pleasant F9'ers in this forum.
Nobody (maybe a select few) at RAH wants to go with the spun off company. Not gonna get involved in this thread any deeper. I'll leave the vile threads to the usual pleasant F9'ers in this forum.
Your feelings are known, now go away.
Honor YOUR word..
Thanks for the memories, now move along.
Thank You.
12-22-2013, 05:38 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: Fighting the Good fight
Posts: 112
Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Is responding to a few F9 trolls really getting involved deeper in this thread? I guess I'll dumb it down for you. I'm not going to get involved in this thread any deeper than I already have in terms of the separation issues and everything else involved.
All You have EVER done is Troll F9.
We get it - You hate F9, Great.. got it, now move on...
Please, we get it.
We (F9) can either sink or swim on our own, Thank you for your concern, now Go Away. Please.
12-23-2013, 02:41 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 249
Originally Posted by HappyCrew
Thats awesome!!!! I also took a huge dump on one their busses. Unfortunately it all flushed down the hole, I would have loved for it to have "hung up" for one of the FA's to find. I feel that all pilots need to experience a "taco bell blowout" will JS/DH/etc. on the F9 buss at some point in their career. I can't put it in words but the whole concept of having a "religious rectal experience" while flying F9 is truly remarkable. Happy hunting and have a good day.
HC aka "the phantom crapper"
. I feel that all pilots need to experience a "taco bell blowout" will JS/DH/etc. on the F9 buss at some point in their career. I can't put it in words but the whole concept of having a "religious rectal experience" while flying F9 is truly remarkable. Happy hunting and have a good day.HC aka "the phantom crapper"
12-24-2013, 11:50 AM
#29
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Posts: 112
Originally Posted by Cross Check
I heard the F9 flight attendants already had the single carrier status reversed. Anybody have it in writing?
ibt national wrote to the NMB in the last week in Nov, requesting they find F9 flight attendants seperate from other rah held companies.
Request was filed by the ibt; but No ruling yet.
A quick google search should find it.
This may well be a Great Christmass After all.
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