What State are UAL and DAL incorporated in and do they have mainline, or any, service there?


TP

Sorry.....! My schedules are fine and I sure as hell don't want to fly more than the 35 hors/month I'm flying now gloopy, but my question to you is this. How will you stop it? Specially when DAL, UAL, CAL, FDX, UPS are doing it.....!
For example there is a cargo airline in China that is planing a big expansion and they have a lot of economical backing, let's say that they open some routes and offer choices for shipment out of New York to Tokyo (just as an example) you argue that FDX can operate from Beijing and that you can as a Chinese national send a package on FDX from Beijing to Hong Kong, but they can't the other way around? Don't get me wrong I'm not pro anything that will affect the airline industry in the US, but the free use of other countries air spaces by US carriers for so many years will come and bite us on the rear end.

Delaware, you're so sneaky!:rolleyes:

It's not the same thing and you know it.

It's FAA operating certificate is issued in the United States.
UAL's operations and headquarters are in the United States.
It pays taxes as a US corporation.
UAL operates using employee labor protected by US labor law.

NAS operating certificate is via the IAA in Ireland.
NAS's operations and headquarters are in Norway.
NAS buys aircraft at below market interest rates with US tax dollars.
NAS operates using employee labor from Thailand.
NAS crews are contracted and covered by labor law in Singapore.

But is this good for us consumers? That is what is most important. Bring the foreigners on!!

Isn't up to the Officers and Directors of US carriers to ensure that airlines don't go the way of merchant ships? Don't US carriers have lobbyists on retainer? In addition to writing Congressmen, and Senators, voice your concerns with your company.

Everyone complains about NAI with their 4 aircraft that will destroy the US airline industry. How many of you purchase goods from K-Mart, Walmart, Home Depot, to name a few? Where are there goods manufactured? I don't read anything on this board about abuse in China or Central America, let alone protesting these entities. What kind of car do you drive? Is it a Chevy, or a Ford? Chances are many parts are manufactured overseas too, with cheap labour.

Curious... can someone substantiate this claim?

I've worked in many countries abroad where AOCs were held in countries beyond the boarders of the home country of the airline. To add further confusion, aircraft were registered in different countries too. For example.... Austrian Company with a UK AOC with operations out of Dublin with EI registered aircraft operating to Portugal, Iceland and Canary Islands.

Like the US Delaware offers better tax advantages then many states in the US. Ireland offers investment tax credits to entities that establish operations within their country too.

Why do I have a bad feeling that the DOT will approve their application? Just as in the case of the pre clearance customs deal in Abu Dhabi, I have no faith in the regulators to do right here. Hope I'm wrong but I'm not holding my breath. Over 10,000 signatures and way way short of where it should be. It's concerning that the majority of US airline pilots are walking around with their heads in the sand.

Way up on the food chain of airline management.

I would gladly give up the outdated foreign hub flying all US airlines do in exchange for keeping the flag of convienience cancers off our shore. If that is allowed to grow to its planned manifest destiny, your job, if its even remotely a good one, is in every bit as much jeopardy as ours.

I assume you are referring to Delaware in trying to make your point and play the hypocracy card defending those scab-like scum bags? But I'm not sure how if at all it applies to whatever arguement you're trying to make. They are incorporated in the US, 100% legitimately, and incorporating in one state versus another is 100% an internal US affair that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever, in spirit or intent, on any international or domestic flying they do. But you knew that.

Trying to play that angle would be like worrying about which county in Ireland they were trying to set up shop at. That doesn't matter one bit. If DL/UAL were to incorporate in GA and IL tomorrow, that wouldn't matter in the slightest with any treaty, arrangement or negotiated freedom rights in the slightest.

If you're going to defend those dirt bags just because they are foreign and all things foreign are sublime and superior, you're going to have to do a whole lot better than that.

Yet 4 out of 5 ALPA pilots haven't even bothered to sign the petition. Beyond pathetic !!!!