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Qotsaautopilot 02-11-2014 11:14 AM

If they are waiting for approval still, how is the flight in fll already?

swamp 02-11-2014 11:26 AM

Copied the link and mass texted all my friends and family. This issue is way too important to not care.

Mesabah 02-11-2014 11:53 AM

JFK to Paris on NAI is $406, the cheapest fare on an American carrier is $2065. To say this is a threat is the understatement of the century.

northshore973 02-11-2014 06:03 PM

Love how 99% of the garbage on this forum is so short sighted while issues like this one don't seem to stir up much feedback.

scambo1 02-11-2014 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1579121)
JFK to Paris on NAI is $406, the cheapest fare on an American carrier is $2065. To say this is a threat is the understatement of the century.

Yield fare is $364, not much meat on that bone.

shiznit 02-12-2014 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1579369)
Yield fare is $364, not much meat on that bone.

When:
The planes are financed thru the Ex-Im bank at 2% interest rates (roughly a $4-5M/yr advantage over corporate interest cost)

the FA's earn $500/month and the pilots are on individual contracts (no benefits/retirement) thru a firm in Singapore,

and the nation where your operating certificate comes from is not a place your airline operates,
(how cheap can you scrimp on maintenance because there won't be ANY oversight)

$406/pp works....... To absolutely destroy labor and safety standards around the world!

Mesabah 02-12-2014 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1579369)
Yield fare is $364, not much meat on that bone.

The are trying to put the Southwest effect into practice over the pond, however, history shows that it doesn't quite work out in the long run, Boeing will be happy though.

TeddyKGB 02-12-2014 12:59 PM

Sad how few signatures there are. This things has been floating around for weeks and there are only 6800 signatures so far. Should be much more but I guess most people don't care.

shiznit 02-12-2014 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1579849)
Sad how few signatures there are. This things has been floating around for weeks and there are only 6800 signatures so far. Should be much more but I guess most people don't care.

This has only been stickied for a week here. Share it on FB from the link on the site. I have had some success sharing it on other friend's timelines with positive results.

It is an everyday battle that requires constant effort.

gloopy 02-12-2014 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1579807)
When:
The planes are financed thru the Ex-Im bank at 2% interest rates (roughly a $4-5M/yr advantage over corporate interest cost)

the FA's earn $500/month and the pilots are on individual contracts (no benefits/retirement) thru a firm in Singapore,

and the nation where your operating certificate comes from is not a place your airline operates,
(how cheap can you scrimp on maintenance because there won't be ANY oversight)

$406/pp works....... To absolutely destroy labor and safety standards around the world!

Which is why we absolutely must raveage them from a business standpoint. Let them know that any route they do will lose money, not just by a little bit, but hand over fist until our coffers run dry because we can afford it way easier than they can. If we don't play offense and just let that cancer become another endless growth mode airline, we will pay far more dearly in the long run.

YoY revenue growth that we've been seeing is radically unsustainable. It has to, and it will, end eventually. Nothing in any sector can grow at those rates forever; its not mathematically possible. Better to break the streak now on our terms than to wake up one day with those scum (and a dozen others) overflying our entire widebody network because we let them get a foothold in a myopic attempt to insure quarterly results in each individual market while they grew on their terms to eventually uproot us.

Revenue growth from synnergies and capacity dicipline was the (incredibly) easy part. This next 5 years, far more than the last 5, is where RA and team's true leadership and executive talent will be judged.


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